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Faith Healers

Friday, May 18, 2007

The very first placebo-controlled trial may have been the debunking of the charismatic Anton Mesmer (the enigmatic source responsible for the verb “to mesmerize”), an enlightenment figure with a healing technique that Ben Franklin, for one, thought was basically placebo performance. Historians Ed Cohen and Ann Harrington fill in the details.

Last, producer Gregory Warner takes us into the tent of a Christian faith-healing, where preacher Steve Buza treats all sorts of ailments, including scoliosis and carpal tunnel, and the healed reflect on the relationship between pain and doubt.

Pro Faith-Healing
Anti Faith-Healing
The Placebo Effect by Anne Harrington
Ed Cohen's article on Mesmer and Placebo


Comments

  • [1] Suzanne Yates from Lehman College -- CUNY -- Bronx, NY May 18, 2007 - 03:45PM

    If there is a way to get this show downloaded on a podcast or on a disk -- PLEASE let me know. I would like to be able to listen to it again, in full, without having to be at the computer.

    Would it be possible to buy a copy of the show and use parts of it in a classroom to illustrate points in the lecture?

    Thanks.


  • [2] Radio Lab from WNYC Radio May 18, 2007 - 04:38PM

    YES! you can listen to Radio Lab again. Three ways:

    1.)click the "download mp3" link on this page

    2.)click the play button on the flash audio player.

    3.) subscribe to our Radio Lab podcast! (search for "Radio Lab" in iTunes or click the link on our main page)

    You can email us directly @ radiolab@wnyc.org to ask about obtaining copies for use in the classroom.


  • [3] Gail Okulczyk from Oak Ridge, TN July 16, 2007 - 04:04PM

    When I click your hotlink for Gregory Warner, I get something much different and probably not what you intended for your listeners. Here's the address that the link gets me to.

    http://www.gregoryarchive.com/


  • [4] Radio Lab from WNYC Radio July 18, 2007 - 02:12PM

    Gail,

    Thanks for checking out our links! The hotlink for Gregory Warner IS actually the right one--it's his blog. Right now, he's reporting in Afghanistan and occasionally posting.


  • [5] Heather from NJ February 20, 2008 - 04:22PM

    this sounds very similar to 'healing by faith' in Christianity... do you think there is any connection at all?


  • [6] Heather from NJ February 20, 2008 - 04:57PM

    ok... now i'm listening to the last part and you do talk about that...


  • [7] Ben from MD July 11, 2008 - 02:54PM

    I love radio lab. I've been addicted ever since I heard it on the radio, and found the podcast.

    That being said, I was screaming in my mind during most of the "Faith Healer" section of this show.

    You guys generally do a fantastic job of keeping things scientific and reasonable in your program, but I really wish there was a different point of view on this portion of the program.

    For instance, a valid point of view was that what the faith healer was doing was despicable. Telling a nervous young woman who trusts you that her back problems are from Satan, "healing" and then grilling her immediatley afterward in front of everyone "are you healed?" where an answer of "no" is obviously unwelcome to the preacher and the crowd is not doing anyone any favors.


  • [8] a woman from manhattan January 12, 2009 - 12:23PM

    I think the listeners were perfectly capable of forming their own point of view. I don't think any of us heard that portion of the program and thought the better of faith healers.

    I like a show that lets me come to my own conclusions. I certainly don't seek any moral guidance from radio shows.


  • [9] Jonathan February 03, 2009 - 01:52PM

    I think the faith healers section was perfectly balanced and unbiased. It leaves it up to the listeners to form our own interpretations, and I do not see any way in which Radiolab encouraged or discouraged the point of view of the faith healers. It was an inside look, but with a healthy skepticism and interest.

    Thank you, Radiolab, for consistently producing such a great show.


  • [10] Timothy from NJ February 06, 2009 - 06:02AM

    Initially, I felt the same as Ben, but the show was not about proselytism. It was about the power of suggestion, and that segment of the show certainly exemplified this premise! (Albeit in a scary, naive, influential, coercive way...)

    An aside, I am a fan of the show. I listen to it on the way to work and then, later, on the way home. Keep up the great work!


  • [11] Susan Shaw from Washington April 18, 2009 - 06:18PM

    I was fascinated by the whole show. It confirms a lot of what Mary Baker Eddy came across when she was looking for healing back in the 1800's. She turned against mesmerism, when she found her own kind of Christian healing. She founded a religion called Christian Science and wrote a "Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures" with a whole chapter devoted to debunking animal magnitism. In it she basically covered what you did about Anton Mesmer. That's why I loved the part of the show illustrating the French experiment showing that animal magnitsm relied on imagination. The whole show is a treasure.


  • [12] Julia from Burlingame, California June 02, 2009 - 12:41AM

    Just a quick question:

    I am trying to figure out how to spell the name of the Shaman described in the beginning on the show. He's from the Kwakiutl tribe of British Columbia, his name sounds like "qe-so-lid", and he was studied by Franz Boas...


  • [13] Nathaniel from WA June 09, 2009 - 07:00PM

    The presentation of the final segment really bothers me.

    Faith healers' claims have consistently failed to pan out within controlled studies. Their argument that any failure results from "doubt" is just special pleading (an excuse that tries to exempt a testable claim from any testable standard of evidence). I'm surprised that neither point got any mention in this episode.

    Thinking critically about the findings of science is GOOD - that's how science moves forward. Omitting the scientific consensus and ignoring logical fallacies... less so. I worry that you're doing a little of both here.


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