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Patricia T. O’Conner

Wednesday, August 15, 2007

Word maven Patricia T. O’Conner explores pronunciation errors (including her own), and she answers your questions about the use and misuse of the English language. Call 212-433-9692 or post a question or comment during the show. If your question isn’t answered on air, you can email Patricia directly by going to her website, grammarphobia.com, and clicking on "write us."

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Comments

  • [1] hjs from 11211 August 15, 2007 - 12:09PM

    when interviewed, 'scientific experts' often respond to a question starting with the word 'so.' is there any reason for this??

    example would be something like this :

    why is the sky blue? so, the sky is blue because…

    I hear this all the time on npr and the like.


  • [2] Jim from Brooklyn August 15, 2007 - 12:21PM

    There seems to be no rhyme or reason as to when a New Yorker pronounces "...or..." as "or" and when it is pronounced "ar". Being from Chicago, the only time I can think of when I pronounce "or" as "ar" is in "sorry". I pronounce "choral" as a homophone of "coral", whereas New York firends pronounce "choral" as I do, but "coral" as a (nearly) homophone with "Carl". Is there a pattern?


  • [3] Lynne Familant from Tinton Falls, NJ August 15, 2007 - 01:04PM

    When and why did English speakers stop using "thee" and "thou?" I'm currently reading Thomas Hardy and noticed that in the dialog, the characters use both "thee" (or 'ee) and "you." It seems like a transition period (late 19th century?) during which both were used.

    Thanks for an always fascinating segment!


  • [4] Thaddeus from Chatham, NJ August 15, 2007 - 01:28PM

    I continue to be irritated and annoyed by the morning WNYC announcer who pronounces it WNY-say instead of WNY-see. Why can't I just let it go?


  • [5] Andy from New York, NY August 15, 2007 - 01:30PM

    How do you pronounce drawer?

    I've also pronounced it as rhyming with "door" while I've heard others pronounce it as rhyming with "draw"


  • [6] Cale, M.D. from Paterson, NJ August 15, 2007 - 01:32PM

    Are you aware that people in North NJ drop the T's in the middle of a word. For example the name Chilton is pronounced Chil-in or Manhattan is pronounced Man-ha-in. I also hear this in some parts of the British Isles. Maybe a connection?


  • [7] chestine from NY August 15, 2007 - 01:32PM

    Cannes is somewhere between the two pronunciations offered.


  • [8] tanya from Manhattan August 15, 2007 - 01:33PM

    What about patina. Is it PATina or paTIna?


  • [9] Angela from Brooklyn August 15, 2007 - 01:33PM

    A joke about Versaille, IN:

    Two guys are at a gas station arguing about the pronounciation of the town name. Finally one guy says to the gas station attendant, "How do you pronounce the name of the place we're standing?"

    The attendant looks at them and slowly says "SUNOCO."


  • [10] David Harrington from Manhattan August 15, 2007 - 01:33PM

    Why are the British allowed to refer to groups, say the BBC, in the plural form (The BBC are reporting on Posh Spice.) while Americans must refer to groups of people in the singular form if the name of the group is singular?


  • [11] chestine from NY August 15, 2007 - 01:33PM

    forte is italian! it's musical!


  • [12] Carlos from forest hills, ny August 15, 2007 - 01:34PM

    consider the pronounciation of route in "router" (it not "rooter")


  • [13] Katrina from South Orange, NJ August 15, 2007 - 01:35PM

    Regarding the word "aunt." My experience is that most white people pronounce it "ant" while most black people pronounce it (as I think it should be) as it is "awnt". Is this largely true? If so, how do people who are neither black nor white pronounce this word? Or, is this a regional thing?

    Thanks!


  • [14] Cale from Paterson, NJ August 15, 2007 - 01:36PM

    In Northern N.J. native people drop the T's in the middle of a word. For example the name Chilton would be Chil-in or Mountain would be Mao-in, or Manhattan would be Man -ha-in. I also hear this in parts of the British Isles. Any connection?


  • [15] Carlos from forest hills, ny August 15, 2007 - 01:37PM

    or how about "the tour de france" - i cant help but sound snooty when saying that one


  • [16] Jim from Manhattan August 15, 2007 - 01:40PM

    Re pronunciation of alleged.

    I was taught that a-ledged was correct, and heard it pronounced that way by educated speakers and npr hosts, UNTIL RECENTLY. I even remember the day that I first started hearing Brian Lehrer pronounce it the other way, a-ledge-id. Your comments?


  • [17] Mike from Rockefeller Center August 15, 2007 - 01:40PM

    How should we, the American laypeople, pronounce the word neanderthal? Like the German valley, with a -tal ending, or -thal? Am I a boor for not knowing?


  • [18] Jeffrey S. from East Elmhurst August 15, 2007 - 01:43PM

    Your guest seems to imply that language is learned in some kind of vaccuum. If a person misuses or mispronounces a word, it is because he or she was taught that way or they had to figure it out for themselves after seeing the word in a book and not having the energy to look it up in a dictionary.

    It is society's responsibility to make sure everyone has a proper exposure to standard English. If the whole point of language is communication,. it won't be of much good if everyone is imposing an individual definition of pronouncement of a word.


  • [19] Leandra from staten island August 15, 2007 - 01:46PM

    The word "fun" seems to be used incorrectly even in the news and T.V. ie. "It's so fun."


  • [20] David Harrington from Morningside Heights August 15, 2007 - 01:46PM

    Saturday is named after Saturn, but all the other days of the week in English are named after Northern European gods: Thor is Thursday, Freja is Friday, Woden is Wednesday. Why Saturn?


  • [21] laura from manhattan August 15, 2007 - 01:47PM

    Isn't the use of like to mean say a matter of register? I wouldn't dream of using it when talking to my boss, but I wouldn't hesitate to use it in relating a story to my friends. I wouldn't want Leonard to use it in an interview either. It would lessen the gravitas of what was said.


  • [22] Valerie from Jackson Hts., Queens August 15, 2007 - 01:47PM

    Some blue-collar Ralph-Kramden types pronounce

    O-I as E-R and E-R as O-I ... Why?

    EXAMPLE: "terlit" instead of "toilet"

    and "goil" instead of "girl"

    Also, reminds me of rex harrison in My Fair Lady,

    " Norwegians learn Norwegian, the Greeks are

    taught their Greek.

    In France every Frenchman knows his language

    from A to Zed.

    The French don't care what they do, actually,

    As long as they pronounce properly.

    Arabians learn Arabian with the speed of

    summer lightning,

    And Hebrews learn it backward which is

    absolutely frighening.

    If you use proper English you're regarded as

    a freak.

    Oh why can't the English, why can't the

    English learn to speak! "


  • [23] Just Me from Midtown August 15, 2007 - 01:49PM

    How about pronouncing the bakery chain Au Bon Pain? People seem to pronounce it as "Ow Bonne Pan".

    And how about the word genuine?


  • [24] Gabriel Hunter from NYC August 15, 2007 - 01:49PM

    For Almond is it Ah-mond or All-mond

    also

    For Palm is it Pom or Pallm


  • [25] Sarah from Brooklyn August 15, 2007 - 01:49PM

    You were talking about names and I have a pet peeve with my husband who prounces Albany, NY with an a like apple rather than like all. I believe this is the pronunciation of Albany, CA. He insists that it can be either, but I keep insisting that there is a correct pronunciation.


  • [26] J Reilly from Bellmore, LI August 15, 2007 - 01:50PM

    It drives me crazy to hear the soft "T" that has become common as in impor(D)ant. Thanks


  • [27] Fabio from Manhattan August 15, 2007 - 01:50PM

    One of my favorite topics!!!

    When in question, I usually refer to the Miriam-Webster online dictionary. It has an audio portion that is free. M-W.com

    Although, it only provides you with one pronounciation, it serves as a guide and it's free.


  • [28] Maggie from New Brunswick, NJ August 15, 2007 - 01:53PM

    I'm from south jersey where there's the common pronunciation of the word towel as "tal." Drives me crazy.


  • [29] Jenn from New Brunswick, NJ August 15, 2007 - 01:53PM

    What about the word disoriented? I've heard it pronounced sometimes as if it were "disorienTAted"


  • [30] arnie fleischer from new rochelle, ny August 15, 2007 - 01:55PM

    Ms. O'Conner has made two grammatical errors (each a subject-verb disagreement) on the show.First, she told Leonard Lopate that "he is one of the few people who pronounces [Vincent Van Gogh's] name correctly." That should be"pronounce," not "pronounces," because the subject is "one," not "people": there are a few people who pronounce the name right, and he's one of them. The second mistake occurred when she was talking about the pronunciation of "harassment" and said, "Harassment or harassment, either one are correct." That's "is," not "are."

    Sorry, my mother was an English teacher and I was an English major and just can't help myself!


  • [31] Mark from manhattan August 15, 2007 - 01:55PM

    speaking of mispronunciation,

    comfortable pronounced "comfterble" drives me nuts!


  • [32] Ben August 15, 2007 - 01:56PM

    The song of the summer is "Under my Umbrella"

    she pronounces it:

    Umber-ella

    adding an extra syllable.

    It makes a catchy tune though!


  • [33] mark from Brooklyn August 15, 2007 - 01:56PM

    I'm an architect. Often heard in the construction industry is "masonary" for "masonry." Similar to "realator" for "realtor." Some principle of linguistic change? Easier to say?


  • [34] Jennifer Lemish from Jersey City, NJ August 15, 2007 - 01:57PM

    The use of preventative that I have heard is not to replace preventive the adjective rather as the noun. A preventive medicine practioner can recommend a good preventative for heart disease is ....


  • [35] Gerry Lesk from Manhattan August 15, 2007 - 01:59PM

    My comment concerns spelling. The word 'til' is, as I understand it, a contraction of 'until'.

    A common mistake I see made with this word is that it is misspelled 'till', which confuses the contraction of 'until' with the word for the plow that worked the prairie or the cashier's box in a store. I have seen this

    mispelling most recently in a book of Somerset

    Maugham's short stories, and it appalled me.

    Tell me that I'm right to be appalled! I want

    to continue in my indignation!

    Gerry Lesk


  • [36] Mike from Rockefeller Center August 15, 2007 - 02:11PM

    Re: Till, To: Gerry Lesk

    They've actually discussed this on Leonard's show before. 'Til is a shortening of until, but till predates until (itself being a contraction of un- and till). Shortening until to 'til is just the word coming full circle.


  • [37] Ed Keer from Waldwick, NJ August 16, 2007 - 11:42AM

    As a phonologist, I'm pretty disappointed by the lack of expertise of your expert, Ms. O'Conner. Especially when it comes to basic phonetics, phonology, and American dialect differences. Many of the questions listeners brought up have been studied extensively by American dialectologists and linguists. I suggest she look into that work before the next scheduled appearance. A good place to start is the American Dialect Society (on the web at www.americandialect.org).


  • [38] Ed Keer from Waldwick, NJ August 16, 2007 - 11:42AM

    In response to Jim's question above: the pronunciation of [or] as [ar] in NY (and other parts of the mid Atlantic] happens when the the [r] starts a new syllable in the word. You get it in 'sorry' but not 'for'. That said, all Americans pretty much have the [ar] in 'sorry' (unlike Canadians) but only some dialects extend it to other words like 'orange', 'Florida', or 'moral'. And many people have some idiosyncratic uses. For example, I (a native of SE Pennsylvania) have it in most of these words except 'moral'.

    Some Brits may also have this pronunciation, although the only evidence I have for that claim is Roger Daltry's pronunciation of 'moral' in "Won't get fooled again". He clearly sings 'The m[ar]als that we worshipped were all gone.' I don't know if that is him affecting an American pronunciation or his native one.

    On the show a caller asked about [shtreet] for [street]. This is also a common phonological variation in American speech. It appears to be anticipatory assimilation of the [s] to the place of articulation of the [r]. A similar rule is found in Swedish where an [s] following an [r] is pronounced as [sh], for example [morshan] meaning "Mother".


  • [39] Judy from Scarsdale August 16, 2007 - 11:56AM

    What about the pronunciations of the words research and presentation?

    rihsearch vs. reeeesearch

    prehsentation vs. preeesentation

    Would love to know


  • [40] arnie fleischer from new rochelle, ny August 17, 2007 - 03:11PM

    OK, in my hurry to get in my comment (# 30) while the program was running, I made a couple of mistakes. First, I said the subject of the phrase, ". . . one of the few people who pronounces," was "one" instead of "people." Even accepting my rushed shorthand -- the subject is "who," not "one" or "people," -- I had that backwards. And what I really meant to say is that the subject "who" relates back to "people," not to "one," and so the verb should be "pronounce," not "pronounces."


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