Carlos Moore, the son of Jamaican parents who immigrated to Cuba in search of a better life, talks about the role of race in Castro’s Cuba. His new book is Pichon.
Larry, I will assume that your statement comparing Obama to Baptistat was due to a momentary lapse in your critical thinking skills. Are you assuming that all persons of a particular race think alike? Consider the implications.
Dec. 08 2008 02:41 PM
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Enrique
from Elizabeth, NJ
I'm a bit confused by Moore's statements. As far as i know, when referring to young birds -and even young anything- people use that word/slang "pichon"; which i wouldn't be surprise that it comes from a variation of the pronunciation of pigeon. "That rooster is(state) pichon", "...tha pichona(yong) girl, is..." et cetera.
Also, i lived 6 years there (modern times) and Cuba is one of the most pluralistic nations OF THE WORLD. Racism..? Tough subject. However, they could be anything but racist. Call me crazy but in latin-america there is a tolerated racism; because afro-decendants apply it in the same way. Tough subject, like i said. Idk.
Dec. 08 2008 01:56 PM
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skeptical optimist
from premodinantly white location in lower manhattan
Foxiius, in my opinion, the only point you questioned that Moore talked about is Batista being barred from white establishment...I guess you are referring to the content of the book, not this interview... Since you question so much and so vehemently I wish you you backed up your claims somehow...
Dec. 08 2008 01:50 PM
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Sean
from Brooklyn, NYC, USA
I wonder if the freedom fighters and black panther refugees that are in Cuba have come across these same issues?
Dec. 08 2008 01:49 PM
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Gordon
from UES
I guess the white hope was McCain... looks like he arrived to late and too tired... The problem of race is still the unresolved issue of Mexico, Guatamala, and Indigenous Latin America as well. As Americans have recently found out that they are mostly economic sharecroppers (owning nothing and OWEing everything they thought they had) both issues of race and wealth distribution interweave in any deeper understanding of "The way things ought to be. For these reasons the significance of Obama in the USA and Evo Morales in Bolivia is important in determining if a change in circumstances for formerly oppressed races in this hemisphere is eminent.
Dec. 08 2008 01:48 PM
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Larry
Thanks,
But you never know. We can easily lose our democracy. Its economic crises that lead to the rise of a Hitler, Castro, Lenin, Pol Pot etc...
I hope Obama respects democracy and doesn't try to pull a Chavez on us.
Dec. 08 2008 01:47 PM
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Edward
from Washington Heights aka pretentious "Hudson Heights"
Larry, the answer to your questions are NO.
In four years Obama will face re-election. The voters will decide whether he merits a second term.
The US has real elections, not sham elections like the Castro dictatorship re-elections celebrated by people like One-Term Worst President Ever Jimmy Carter.
Dec. 08 2008 01:44 PM
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Foxiiux
from NYC
Everything this guy says is wrong. How in the world do you call a man whose family came from Spain a WASP? Batista happily went wherever he wanted. Palo is a Kongo religion, not from the Nigerian region that brought the religion syncretized with Catholicism in Cuba as Santería. There is much, much, much discussion of race in Castro's Cuba, and many, many, many publications about it. Oriente is not predominately white. Etc. Etc. Etc.
How did Lawrence Hill Book publish a book filled with such bs? It's not as if the editor hasn't had ample opportunity to know what the facts of all this really are.
Dec. 08 2008 01:37 PM
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Larry
Hmm... Since Batista was black just like Obama, are there any similarities between Obama and Batista? Do we need to fear an Obama dictatorship. And will we need a white hope to over throw him?
Dec. 08 2008 01:35 PM
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Jaime
from Queens
Racism in the latin american world can be even more pronounced then the black and white issues in the USA. Sutile shades of brown can mean all the difference in social standing. This is in addition to a very pronounced nationalism pecking order that starts with who is geniticlly closest to spanish decent. This is one of the largest problems when addressing social and regional cooperation and advancement
Dec. 08 2008 01:28 PM
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M
from Sunset Park
That's because the only people that could afford to leave, and didn't support Castro, were the wealthy whites (ie the Bacardi's which Lopate already covered). Everyone else did what was in their interest which at the time was supporting the overthrow of a military dictatorship.
Dec. 08 2008 01:07 PM
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Edward
from Washington Heights aka pretentious "Hudson Heights"
When Fidel got sick, he left Cubas "world class" medical system for France for treatment.
The Fidel Castro dictatorship, which started in 1959, only ended due to Fidels ill health, not the ballot or the bullet.
And as in any dictatorship, like North Korea, Syria, Saudi Arabia, the head of government is replaced by a family member - in Cubas case Raul Castro.
Dec. 08 2008 12:52 PM
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Micheal
from manhattan
I have always noticed that, whenever a news report shows people walking on the streets of Cuba and crowds in general, the population reflects a great number of black people. The critics of Cuba and Castro in Miami and here in the USA that seem to have such deep hatred for Cub's government are always white Cubans. We are told that as a Socialist country Cuba is a failure, yet it excels in so many scientific and social goals... are there any countries in the Caribbean...(Jamaica, D.R. Haiti, etc) that can match Cuba's successes, DESPITE a US embargo? Even the USA cant match Cuba for literacy and infant mortality.
Dec. 08 2008 12:20 PM
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Larry, I will assume that your statement comparing Obama to Baptistat was due to a momentary lapse in your critical thinking skills. Are you assuming that all persons of a particular race think alike? Consider the implications.
I'm a bit confused by Moore's statements.
As far as i know, when referring to young birds -and even young anything- people use that word/slang "pichon"; which i wouldn't be surprise that it comes from a variation of the pronunciation of pigeon. "That rooster is(state) pichon",
"...tha pichona(yong) girl, is..." et cetera.
Also, i lived 6 years there (modern times)
and Cuba is one of the most pluralistic nations
OF THE WORLD. Racism..? Tough subject. However, they could be anything but racist.
Call me crazy but in latin-america there is a
tolerated racism; because afro-decendants apply it in the same way. Tough subject, like i said. Idk.
Foxiius, in my opinion, the only point you questioned that Moore talked about is Batista being barred from white establishment...I guess you are referring to the content of the book, not this interview... Since you question so much and so vehemently I wish you you backed up your claims somehow...
I wonder if the freedom fighters and black panther refugees that are in Cuba have come across these same issues?
I guess the white hope was McCain... looks like he arrived to late and too tired... The problem of race is still the unresolved issue of Mexico, Guatamala, and Indigenous Latin America as well. As Americans have recently found out that they are mostly economic sharecroppers (owning nothing and OWEing everything they thought they had) both issues of race and wealth distribution interweave in any deeper understanding of "The way things ought to be. For these reasons the significance of Obama in the USA and Evo Morales in Bolivia is important in determining if a change in circumstances for formerly oppressed races in this hemisphere is eminent.
Thanks,
But you never know. We can easily lose our democracy. Its economic crises that lead to the rise of a Hitler, Castro, Lenin, Pol Pot etc...
I hope Obama respects democracy and doesn't try to pull a Chavez on us.
Larry, the answer to your questions are NO.
In four years Obama will face re-election. The voters will decide whether he merits a second term.
The US has real elections, not sham elections like the Castro dictatorship re-elections celebrated by people like One-Term Worst President Ever Jimmy Carter.
Everything this guy says is wrong. How in the world do you call a man whose family came from Spain a WASP? Batista happily went wherever he wanted. Palo is a Kongo religion, not from the Nigerian region that brought the religion syncretized with Catholicism in Cuba as Santería. There is much, much, much discussion of race in Castro's Cuba, and many, many, many publications about it. Oriente is not predominately white. Etc. Etc. Etc.
How did Lawrence Hill Book publish a book filled with such bs? It's not as if the editor hasn't had ample opportunity to know what the facts of all this really are.
Hmm... Since Batista was black just like Obama, are there any similarities between Obama and Batista? Do we need to fear an Obama dictatorship. And will we need a white hope to over throw him?
Racism in the latin american world can be even more pronounced then the black and white issues in the USA. Sutile shades of brown can mean all the difference in social standing. This is in addition to a very pronounced nationalism pecking order that starts with who is geniticlly closest to spanish decent. This is one of the largest problems when addressing social and regional cooperation and advancement
That's because the only people that could afford to leave, and didn't support Castro, were the wealthy whites (ie the Bacardi's which Lopate already covered). Everyone else did what was in their interest which at the time was supporting the overthrow of a military dictatorship.
When Fidel got sick, he left Cubas "world class" medical system for France for treatment.
The Fidel Castro dictatorship, which started in 1959, only ended due to Fidels ill health, not the ballot or the bullet.
And as in any dictatorship, like North Korea, Syria, Saudi Arabia, the head of government is replaced by a family member - in Cubas case Raul Castro.
I have always noticed that, whenever a news report shows people walking on the streets of Cuba and crowds in general, the population reflects a great number of black people.
The critics of Cuba and Castro in Miami and here in the USA that seem to have such deep hatred for Cub's government are always white Cubans. We are told that as a Socialist country Cuba is a failure, yet it excels in so many scientific and social goals... are there any countries in the Caribbean...(Jamaica, D.R. Haiti, etc) that can match Cuba's successes, DESPITE a US embargo?
Even the USA cant match Cuba for literacy and infant mortality.
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