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Out of Africa

Monday, June 16, 2008

Alex Kabba, editor-in-chief of African Abroad, and Angela Ogbolu, publisher of Kitu Kizuri, a magazine for African women living in the United States, debate the pros and cons of going back home to find a spouse.


Comments

  • [1] Katie from Forest Hills June 16, 2008 - 10:45AM

    What they are saying about people being used for visas is for sure!

    My first husband tried this one on me but he didn't get his visa. Instead, I was out $20k on all the money I spent and heart broken for years, but he didn't get a visa.

    On the other hand, one of my friends is from the Philippines, married a lady from there and they are happily married 10 years later with 3 kids.

    It depends on the people, but there is a lot going on with people get visas and take off.


  • [2] Theresa from Brooklyn June 16, 2008 - 10:50AM

    Oh this is so funny. They want a "traditional" woman from home, but they can't stop that women from "Americanizing" once she gets here. It's been the same for other immigrant groups for generations! A guy just can't win. :P


  • [3] Katie from Forest Hills June 16, 2008 - 10:53AM

    Yeah, LOL!

    And they want a submissive woman!!

    I'm laughing all the way to the bank on that one.


  • [4] Leigh from Brooklyn June 16, 2008 - 10:53AM

    "I want a submissive...no I mean TRADITIONAL woman"...hah. Ha ha.


  • [5] Caroline from manhattan June 16, 2008 - 10:54AM

    Clearly, WNYC needs to add another theme night to its singles mixers!


  • [6] Rogue from NYC June 16, 2008 - 10:57AM

    Yes, a guy CAN win.

    I am a young American man who made his mint in NYC and then moved to Central America 3 years ago. In the world outside of America's failed feminist experiment, here are some facts for you to brood over:

    American women have a bad publicity problem, and rightly so.

    Feminism does not matter, modern or otherwise. No need to define, redefine, remake, figure out, wonder about, or consider at all.

    Whatever momentum your "movement" has, it comes to a screeching halt at the Rio Grande.

    Folks around here never did see feminism as a threat or as powerful but merely as an annoyance while living in the U.S. and now, well, its just a source of humor. Plus you never have to concern yourselves with mens' rights activists in this brave new world; they simply don't exist...imagine that.

    Here in the good ol' third world I and my fellow Americans (there are many here now, some with PFSD) are immersed in bevies of femininity.

    So, yes, men can win.


  • [7] Rogue from BevyLand June 16, 2008 - 11:02AM

    Men in our expat colony do not respect or acknowledge or abide by the following:

    Work life balance

    Repro rights

    Diversity

    IMBRA

    Marriage Broker Regulation Act

    Inclusion

    Stay at home moms

    Body image

    Political correctness

    Title IX

    Take your daughters to work

    Affirmative action

    Tahirih Justice Center

    Maternity leave

    Cultural Marxism

    Ms Foundation

    Third party childcare

    Paternity leave

    Linda Hirshman

    Male bashing

    Opt out myth

    Having it all

    Bonnie Erbe

    Pay equity

    Gloria Steinem

    Fish riding bicycles

    National Organization for Women

    Takes a village

    Mommy track

    Biological clock

    Gender

    Wage gap

    Gender role

    Career vs family

    Cultural Marxism (repeated)

    Political correctness (repeated)

    ...and blah blah, ecchh

    Because WE DON'T HAVE TO!!


  • [8] Katie from Forest Hills June 16, 2008 - 11:04AM

    If you don't have to, than why post on the board?


  • [9] Sam from Brooklyn June 16, 2008 - 11:04AM

    Hmmm. Apparently someone didn't have much luck with American women. No worries, the developing world to the rescue! Leverage those dollars, man.


  • [10] Katie from Forest Hills June 16, 2008 - 11:06AM

    Are you trying to convince us or yourself?

    I've been to Mexico and Central America. The women were very strong and many feminists, they are not cowering afraid, docile little things bossed about. We all knew who wears the pants in those families.

    If the mother likes you, you're okay, if not, you're out.


  • [11] Rogue from BevyLand June 16, 2008 - 11:06AM

    I and a few hundred others got out in time; it was either join the marriage strike or move to paradise. Guess what we did?

    Ironically, you and your ilk are actually helping us now. Many roads in Central America (CA) were built through American-taxpayer funded programs. I assume you pay taxes. Therefore, I thank American feminist taxpayers for making it easier for me to access multitudes of beautiful non-feminist / feminist-hating foreign women. Imagine that.

    In 2004, about 225 American men (just in our group; there are thousands of others) expatriated to CA, married foreign women and established a subculture with strong taboos and social ostracism for violating those taboos. This new Patriatopia is a beacon; an experiment and shining example of community life that offers hope to Western men AND women.

    You do not in the United States have a culture that is healthy and conducive to the preservation of traditional families. The dominant culture is feminism and that dominance is strengthening due to the influence of radical feminism.

    There is a way out. We found it.


  • [12] Mira from Uptown June 16, 2008 - 11:20AM

    Rogue, your actions are damaging to feminists in the US and a setback for over 40 years of work. We are trying to change the attitude of men so they will treat everyone as equals. Convincing men to leave as sort of a detour around feminism is not fair. You list IMBRA. Well, that is the first law designed to limit communication (emails, phone calls) between American men and foreign women seeking to marry each other. That is a good law and then there are these guys:

    http://www.online-dating-rights.com/index.php


  • [13] Buobaker from New York June 16, 2008 - 09:49PM

    Culture, religious and way of living plays role for peoples who want to get married. I was born in the USA raised in Africa by my parent who still there, moved back to US when i become 18yrs. I spend 10yrs in the US reclaiming my American life. Marriage had become issue for me after my relationships with my American girl friends didn't work and all my trips, the long distance calls and family choices for me was disaster. people change wherever they are but it difficult to ignore the influences and experiences in making the decision.


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