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The God Particle Announcement

Tuesday, December 13, 2011

Lisa Randall, professor of science at Harvard University and author of Knocking on Heaven's Door: How Physics and Scientific Thinking Illuminate the Universe and the Modern World, reviews an announcement from the CERN physics lab in Europe that scientists may have glimpsed the Higgs boson, also known as the "God Particle."

Guests:

Lisa Randall

Comments [14]

Gerald Fnord from Palos Verdes, Ca

There is a difference between a causal 'why'---which is really an 'how'---and the sort of 'why' to which jgarbuz was referring, which is more of moral 'why', one that speaks to purpose and from which one can draw lessons about proper conduct.

Dec. 20 2011 10:42 AM
Anonymous

jgarbuz, I can speak as a particle physicist on this matter: what you say is wrong. We do actually tackle the why of things. The Higgs mechanism is a good example of this. It addresses WHY the vector bosons have the masses they do---i.e. why the W and Z boson are massive (predicting their masses even) and why the photon is massless. However, it only describes HOW the leptons get masses, but not WHY their masses have the spectrum they do. To address this, people come up with other theories beyond the Higgs mechanism.

Your skepticism is healthy and admirable, but should drive you to read up on the subject _before_ drawing conclusions. Unfortunately pop physics books aren't the greatest at giving you a sound footing to understand the standard model. Though it will take a little work (wikipedia can actually help in understanding it), I'd recommend Cahn & Goldhaber's book _Experimental Foundations of Particle Physics._

Dec. 13 2011 11:31 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

to hjs

There are a LOT of things that still have to be scientifically proven BEFORE we get to the question of "Why?" We still have a lot of HOWs to work out.

Dec. 13 2011 11:19 AM

jgarbuz
untill we can prove there is a primary mover it is just a fairy story. something primitive people came up with so they can sleep at night.

Dec. 13 2011 11:13 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Science tries to answer HOW things work. Science does not deal with WHY things work. That is outside of the realm of science. That presumes that there has to be a "why." And if there has to be a "why," it then presumes someone or something who cares. It presumes an "intelligent" designer, a "primary mover" or something like that.

Dec. 13 2011 11:07 AM

anonyme
"science" is full of dogma "
like what?
science is full of fact

Dec. 13 2011 11:02 AM
Amy from Manhattan

Hmm, Dr. Randall doesn't want it called the "God particle," but she used "Heaven" in her book title? I'm kidding--I enjoyed the segment.

Dec. 13 2011 11:00 AM
anonyme

hjs - "science" is full of dogma - who are you kidding?

Dec. 13 2011 10:57 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

At one time, understanding of the universe meant understanding what we now call METAPhysics, that is understanding gods, spirits, and demons. Those were the basic theory of how the universe was created and what made things happen. Now we deal with subatomic particles, trying to understand how the basic parts of the atom were created.

Dec. 13 2011 10:55 AM

Wow, crazy caller! CERN WILL NOT create an Earth swallowing black hole.

Dec. 13 2011 10:52 AM
Daniel Gr

Is it fair to say the Higgs boson gives particles mass, considering the lepton couplings are still fine tuned in the Higgs model?

Dec. 13 2011 10:51 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Very few scientists are good at explaining things to laymen. The purpose of Physics is to explain HOW the physical world works. With Galileo and Newton we begin to explain things mathematically. But with increased understanding of the atom after Einstein, we learned that the world inside the atom was very different and more complex. The physical universe is made of energy, mass and time, all of which come suddenly into existence. The theory of this "boson" proposed by Higgs is a missing piece of the "standard model" of how the universe the basic particles came into existence.

Dec. 13 2011 10:50 AM
DarkSymbolist from NYC!

Stop calling it the "god particle"...this is science not fairytale story time!

Dec. 13 2011 10:49 AM

A bit silly to call some important scientific discovery the god particle. god is a fantasy, science is always based on facts. BL please don’t bring god, heaven or the easter bunny into the topic.

Dec. 13 2011 10:36 AM

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