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Brucey,

No name calling for you this time? I think that is growth for you. You managed to be anti-Semitic without calling anyone fat. I guess that counts as progress?

I responded to this earlier in the day but the post is gone. I hope it was a glitch and not the WNYC censors doing their censoring thing once again.

Israel's brutal Invasion of Lebanon in eightes raises uproar around the
world.Reagan administration,despite AIPAC
imposes a partial arms embargo on Israel for targetting civillians primarily with the use of US supplied cluster bombs.Israel conducts "investigation" of the Sabra and Shatilla massacres and finds arcihtect of attack on lebanon DM Sharon"indirectly"responsible for the slaughter of 2000
Palestinian civillians.
IDF EXTRACTS a Death toll of 20,000 on Lebanon and ofcourse is responsible for the birth of Hizbollah before withdrawal.Genie is now out of bottle.Bad before worse now!

Recently,Lebanese national Elie Hobeika
was blown up "mysteriously"
Hobieka a commander in SLA(South Lebanese Armysupplied,trained,and on payroll
of Israel)Deployed as death squads by IDF
during occupation of Lebanon.He had recently expressed that he was ready to expose his meetings with
Sharon and
his commanders Eitan,Yahron,and Dori implicating them in massacres in Palestinian camps and other atrocities.
Kahne Commission which investigated
slaughter in Palestinian camps like ALL israeli Investigations end up without any consequense for the killing of Non Jewish victims.
PM Begin famous response:
"Goyim Kill Goyim"

Israel's winding road
to terror:
The Fateful Traiangle,Noam"Lefty"Chomsky

By Deception Ye Shall Wage
War,Victor Ovsrovsky.Mossad turncoat spills guts on Israel false
flag operation against US.

www.usliberty.org
Unmarked Israeli planes attack
unarmed US ship killing 34 American sailors,
with the intent of drawing America into war on ARAB WORLD.

Brucey wrote,

"Back to the road of Terror."

I hope you are wrong Brucey about Palestinians returning to terror, Palestinians returning to specifically targeting women and children and Palestinians returning to using their own children as human shields.

#28 says:"bigoted towards people who are overweight and anti-Semitic."

overweight and anti-Semitic?? Hmm!!!..

Back to the road of Terror.

Flush with steady stream of massive *American aid and arms after Israel blackmails US during 1973 War with threat to use WMD,PM Begin consents to DM Sharon invading Lebanon in 1982.Begin's bloody record is surpassed by the pathlogical Sharon.Begin in forties was part of notorious Irgun Terror group. Some of attacks he was involved were the massacre of the undefended Palestinian village of Dier Yassin and the bombing of King David hotel in 40's.
Sharon decides to "eradicate" the Palstinians that had been pushed into Lebanon following the founding of the exclusive Jewish state,and ones expelled after 1967 war.
Israel's brutal 19 year occupation of Lebanon proves to be an expensive failure with withdrawal in 2000.The IDF's slaughter of 20,000 mostly non combattants in Lebanon spawns what we know now as Hizbollah with suicide bombing as their tool to counter the overwhelmingly superior forces of the IDF.Israel would routinely use US supplied cluster bombs against civillian targets,a violation of US ARMS EXPORT ACT,and a war crime.IDF would set the stage for the massacres in Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatilla.IDF surrounds both camps,lets Phalangist miltia on Israel's payroll do the butchering as Israeli forces fire flares into night sky.The pathlogical Sharon would observe the Butchery high above the camps in bombed out Kuwati embassy set up as IDF Command post.

More info.on that Debackle:
The Fateful Traiangle,Noam"Lefty"Chomsky

NEXT DEBACKLE:Israel with stockpile of 200 WMD Attacks Iran in "self defence".
Bill forwarded to US,again

*According to the Christian Science Monitor,the cost of Israel to the American TAXpayer has been over $1.6 TRILLION since 1973.http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html

#26 says:"I am glad you refrained from calling names this time Brucey. Good for you".
Let the record speak for itself.

Looks like we are being walked down the garden path,AGAIN!!
Israel wants an attack..
Intel. reports,domestic terrorists,Netanyahu with finger on Nuclear button warns the world.
Anybody ever come up with who forged Niger yellowcake documents??That was prior to Iraq invasion.

Good read:By Deception Ye Shall Wage War,Victor Ovstovsky.
Mossad Turncoat reveals black flag operations and manipulation of US political system.

That is funny. Bruce, you prove what I knew, you hold anti-Semitic beliefs. Edward Said, Chomsky, two of the biggest anti-Semites around.

I am glad you refrained from calling names this time Brucey. Good for you.

Obama's view on Mideast are studied and formulated over a long course of time.One of the many people he sought advise from was the late Palestinian exile and intellectual
,Edward Said.
The Israel first crowd have their knives out.
Interesting thing,Whitehouse C.O.S Rahm Emanuell turned out to NOT to be a diehard Israel loyalist.He served in IDF and his parents are zeolous Zionists.Seems Rahm depises Old Bibbi,calls the rightwing PM a "GANSTA"...He be right,it's a prerequiste for the job.
Body language in recent Whitehouse pictures of Emauuell and Bibi speak volumes.
It's not by accident that JCS,Mullen warned Israeli "Gangstas",I mean leaders, not to stage A Liberty incident.
To spark war that is.
That JUNE 1967 Israeli premeditated attack by unmarked IAF Fighters on the unarmed US Comunication ship,USS Liberty, killed 34 Americans in cold blood.
Israeli investigation claimed it a mistake(there is NO more of a sure BET than an Israeli investigation),but in reality it was meant to pin the blame on Egypt and draw US on ISRAEL'S side.

Interesting reading and a watershed moment in US ISRAEL REALATIONS.

Assault on THE LIBERTY,James Ennes,Jr
Ennes was officer on deck during murderous Israeli attack and has been Pilloried by Israel supporters.

Oh, and please stop lying Brucey.

Hey Brucey,

Please stop calling names and please stop being anti-Semitic.

AH!!yes,Jewish Settlements,Big Problem.Always was.
Illegal under international LAW,Geneva Convention,ect,...Ethnically exclusive.
More important here is that Jewish charities in US have been funnellling funds to these ethnic based projects.
Charities = DO NOT PAY TAXES.
Over and above massive *US aid ISRAEL RECEIVES.
Untaxed US funds are going to support Jewish ONLY settlemnts.These serviced,yes BY "JEWISH ONLY" Roads.Folks,are we in the Bizaro world here??Jewish ONLY roads means Palestinians can be shot using these Exclusive roads,and it happens.Home evictions of these Non Jews is carried OUT as Israel state policy,as in recent East Jerusalemm evictions of several Palestinian families.Houses usually demolished,Jewish housing put in it's place:History of Israel 101.Again this is routine Israel practice and US taxpayers are unwittigly financing the enterprise.
So unchecked extreme racial policies and unchecked threat of Israel to attack yet another country should be a major concern.

*According to the Christian Science Monitor,the cost of Israel to the American TAXpayer has been over $1.6 TRILLION since 1973.http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html

You be the ONlY one with the name calling here.
READ YER POSTS!!
Yours are the posts deleted by The Moderator.

No,The entire world does not play the Nuclear card.The number of Nations with a Nuclear arsenal is six,I believe.
None of those have a dierct line to God or an Apocalptic vision of the world.
None receive massive US TAX PAYER AID.
$10 million plus per day.
Non have Guaranteed oil supplies.
Non have torture as legal.Others might do it,but not enshrined in legal code.
And so on.....

peter
don't call names!

Bruce,

Good dodge - you managed not to call names. You hold Jews to a different standard then everyone else. Your only response is to deflect. The entire world plays the nuclear card. Israel has as well. So it goes. Your position is anti-Semitic.

#17" says:
"But you think that Jews are special and should act differently then others".
Methinks that would be your set of belief,Nes Pas??

So Nuclear THREAT is Ok,as long as Israel follows"established international protocol"?
Geez...that's comforting...Phew!!
we can all sleep well tonite.
Israel CONTINUOUSLY says it won't be first to use WMD....Really????
Great to hear....as right wing Religious Zeolotry takes over the state.
Comforting??????????.
During setbacks of october 1973 war the message by Israel was that it would indeed use WMD,FIRST.

That is why USSR/US went on Nuclear footing.

Question is,has US TAXPAYER unwittingly bankrolled Israel's Nuclear option??
Is The "Greater ISRAEL" VISION(Grabbing Arab)lands and subjugating/expelling large Moslem populations)going to lead a nuclear showdown.
Israel and it's supporters are more than ready.

Hey,hey,isn't calling someone anti-Semitic,Name calling???

Our friend "Right of Center friend is at it again.

Not much of a debate.

Bruce,

An anti-Israel post from you, but no name calling this time? Wow, is that growth or did you just forget to call names?

Yup, Israel absolutely made their nuclear silos visible in 1973. Why shouldn’t they? It is what everyone else does. Every time Israel starts winning a war, the Soviet Union made threats of WWIII to save their Arab allies from having their governments toppled. Arabs attacked Israel, Israel defended herself, Israel began wining, the Soviet Union stepped in to save the Arabs from wars that Arabs started. Israel simply followed established international protocol. But you think that Jews are special and should act differently then others. That is anti-Semitic of you Brucey.

Sy Hirsch's the Samson Option On Israel WMD is good reading on Nuclear blackmail. WWII will most likely be triggered by Israel as it moves more to the Armagedon Right.
During the early sixties as Israel was illegally pursuing WMD(Shimon Peres was chief procurer).JFK was seriously seeking sanctions against the Jewish state to halt Nuclear proliferation in mideast.This effort was blunted with Kennedy's 1963 assasination.
Israel would launch a Pearl harbor style premtive attack on 3 neighboring countries with 2 primitive atomic devices as backup four years later in 1967.
Six years later in 1973 Egypt and Syria in an attempt to recapture occupied territory, launch attacks on Israeli forces.Intial attack sends IDF reeling with substantial losses in men and material.A panicked def. minister Moshe Dayan(Dayan had ordered attack on unarmed US ship Liberty in 1967 in international waters,killing 34 American personal and wounding another 171)
recomends to PM Golda Meir to consider using Israel's WMD to forestall defeat.
Meir decides to deploy WMD in a way US satellites can observe as pleas for US assistance go out.
USSR picks up Israeli deployment and goes on Nuclear alert followed by a US DEFCON-3 Nuclear footing.
Israel's blackmail works,Nixon orders massive $1.1 billion airlift(Nickel Grass) and disaster averted for Israel as the world was on the the threshold to WWIII.

Following war Israel would be on US aid gravy train.Arms and Loans that turn into grants would flow from US.Israel'S oil supply as well would now be guaranteed by the US TAXPAYER(See Sinai II AGREEMENTS)
Flush with US arms and finances Israel would launch an attack on Lebanon in eighties,giving birth to radical Islam in form of the Shia Group Hizbollah and suicide bombing.

According to the Christian Science Monitor,the cost of Israel to the American TAXpayer has been over $1.6 TRILLION since 1973.http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html

I would pay for Obama's relocation expenses for him and his family if he chooses to resign from his temporary position and run for Governor of Punjab. Presently the Governor of Punjab is also the Administrator of Chandigarh, so it’s really a very important job - very fitting for a state senator who is otherwise unsuccessfully playing way above his experience and abilities in his current position.

ombama to india that's would make peter/calles'em and others ever so happy!

Calls'em As I Sees'em
and god help us all if those loons get back in to power!

Your guest from India has an excellent point. France and Britain *combined* have just over ONE TENTH the population of India. Yet they both have permanent seats and veto power in the UN Security Council.

The vast majority of the world's population is not white, but 4 of the 5 permanent seats on the Security Council are white.

If it's just symbolism as Mr. Lehrer suggests, perhaps the Obama will propose ending permanent seats on the Council!

Clearly we are living in a post American age - at least for the next year or so, until the Congressional elections of 2010. At that point responsible adults, i.e., conservative Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats get back in power replacing the radical transnational ideologues. This is what you get when you elect a President who wasn’t raised in the US. Obama feels no connection to American history or policy. Even when he was here he was surrounded by bitter and jealous radicals including his grand parents who apparently were friends with some of the most radical people in the country. It’s The Bama’s world now and we just all live it. I believe that his antics at the UN will further distance the intelligence community, the military, LE and most of the American people from Obama and his radical liberal fascist “transforming” corporate statist agenda. Liberals, including Brian and his listeners think that the American people are stupid, but they aren’t as stupid as they think. The winds of “changing back” are in the air. The hundreds of thousands of demonstrators who showed up on 9-12 in Washington DC were just the tip of the iceberg.

I think there is an ulterior motive by this US move. The US leads the world in alternative weapons -- for example, thermobaric bombs or fuel air explosives, which can level small cities.

The US can call on other nations to end underground testing in part because the US has the world's fastest supercomputers. ALL of the fastest 5 or 6 supercomputers in the US are dedicated to running simulated nuclear reactions -- weapons research.

The US is developing and deploying unmanned weapons (ground and air devices), directed energy weapons (e.g., Silent Guardian, a microwave weapon developed by Raytheon), and numerous chemical devices that may violate chemical weapons bans.

The US Airforce controls the American ICBM forces. So one third of the Pentagon will strongly opposed de-nuking.

Obama knows this is a hollow proposal. It's another of his cynical acts of opportunism.

nuclear ban nice idea, that will never happen. sure everyone voted for it, but who will be the first to get rid of them?

like with pot.

the russians and others want it banned so they can bump up their selling price going forward. just smart business.

Hugh,

You wrote, "There is NO REASON AT ALL to take Obama seriously on this proposal"

Uh, since when did anyone take Obama seriously? He breaks promises to Planned Parenthood, gays and lesbians, health care,...

Why would anyone think that Obama would be serious all of a sudden about keeping promises?

I think what is historic about the Obama presidency is that he may be the fastest president to go lame duck in history.

Overseen by the UN's Nuke director, Mohammed ElBaradei

naturally

There is an excellent essay by Garry Wills in the current New York Review of Books on the vast network of secrecy and security obsession that entangles presidents. Obama has embraced it with his unbroken endorsement of Bush policies.

There is NO REASON AT ALL to take Obama seriously on this proposal.

The US won't even sign onto international agreements about cluster bombs or land mines!

There is no more reason to take Obama seriously on nuclear weapons than there is to take him seriously on Israeli settlements.

Does anyone think that Obama will press Israel will surrender its nukes? Obama won't even say Israel has 'em. How about Pakistan, a nation we _helped_ to get nukes?

Martin,

While I don't agree with calling anyone a "rube", I do agree with your political points. What is historic about President Obama is how he managed to win the presidency going almost completely unchallenged by the media. The same way that ACORN slipped through the cracks, it feels like Obama did as well. Now we see that Obama is an amateur. Well, Obama does lie as well or better then most politicians. He is a professional in lying and breaking promises.

Obama addressed the UN and made no attempt to build international support behind the war of choice he is raging in Afghanistan. Obama is raging a war of choice on foreign soil in a unilateral manner. I wonder if world leaders at the UN will mention this. Hell is freezing over, so they just might.

Ye But You Go First!!!

Brian - Don't be such a rube.

A "nuclear free world" vote by Russia (admits to rearming and a new program developing mobile ICBMs) and China (arming itself to the teeth and allowing North Korea to develop nuclear weapons). Please. More empty words and showmanship by our "Entertainer-In-Chief". OK, we get it...you're not Bush.

And why is everything Obama does called "historic"?

Would that be "historically naive"?

President Obama has been calling for months for an Israeli settlement freeze before negotiations. Now, Israeli and Palestinian negotiations are going to begin with no preconditions. Round one goes to Israel (as it should). Are world leaders concerned that Obama flinches so quickly, oversteps and backs down to a much smaller country? Will any world leaders comment on President Obama’s war of choice in Afghanistan? Will Canadian, British or German leaders urge President Obama to pull out of Afghanistan as their own troops will be doing shortly? Will any world leaders express concern that Obama is waging war in an near unilateral manner in Afghanistan?