Michael Saul, New York Daily News city hall reporter, Azi Paybarah, reporter for the New York Observer, and Bob Hardt, executive producer and political director for NY1 news, discuss the results from yesterday’s primary election.
As a registered Democrat, I voted in the primary for all my choices EXCEPT the Mayor, as I intend to split my ticket to vote for Bloomberg. I wonder how many others left the Mayor line unselected.
maybe this would help...you can read for yourself about John Liu and his ties with the CCP: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/t/john-liu-china-connection/
RE: your segment this morning on John Liu...I've read some of the articles from The Epochtimes and hope you can do some further reporting. I've followed the Epochtimes for some time and find their knowledge of China issues to be excellent.
HJS The Times doesn’t even have a basic list of decided, runoff, undecided. It’s pretty pathetic local coverage. WNYC will probably get their info from partner New York Times when they decide full local results are important.
The five-borough backlash against the City Council support for overturning/extending term limits demonstrates Bloomberg's somewhat surprising vulnerability, but Bill Thompson sill seems too modestly civil-servant a figure to lead a credible mayoral challenge. Last night's speech doesn't change that. An upstairs-downstairs Bloomberg-rich-and-out-of-touch message won't bring around the swing voters who were attracted by Bloomberg turning the page on Giuliani with a welcome combination of technical competence, non-megalomaniacal self-assurance, and the sound instinct to try to put an end to the divisive racial and socioeconomic polarization that had for much too long characterized New York City politics. But that somewhat bland technocrat-autocratic has hardened into something more imperious, as crystalized by the term-limits reversal, and raising anew legitimate concerns about the political power of unbridled wealth that Bloomberg had previously tamped down. What is to prevent Bloomberg's succession in 2015 by yet another strong-willed civic-minded Times-endorsed billionaire backed by his peers and the great and the good of the Upper East Side, as opposed to the hoi polloi of the 'outer boroughs'? Maybe Liu, Quinn or DeBlasio will stand in their way. Maybe.
Class anger is an ugly thing. How much of your own money do you resist giving to the city in the form of taxes? Don’t be jealous, go out there, start a business, and make money for yourself.
Brian- please also talk about district 19 (flushing) and the diversity of the candidates who ran for positions this year- historic landmarks for numerous ethnic communities, especially within the asian american communities!
Wow Marissa (#5), you said it better than I did. Thompson didn’t say what he would do, and unless he does, he will not get my vote. He’s acting like the Republicans on health insurance reform. Say’s what he’s against, says no to everything, and is unwilling or unable say what he’d do differently.
Let's not forget Bloomberg's other unforgivable sin: the treatment of protesters both in the antiwar demonstration prior to the invasion of Iraq and again at the Republican convention in 2004
perhaps you asked the wrong question. may i suggest, "if you weren't intimidated, would you say that reporters are intimidated (to cover Bloomberg properly)?"
With everything that's happened with Wall Street liars and thieves over the past two years, people still buy the absurd, obscene notion that being rich means that a person must be an 'expert'. Comical. Has any other people in human history so completely embraced the faith that Wealth Is Virtue?
who is this guy?? I swear I thought wnyc made a mistake and played a Tony Avela clip..
If he keeps hammering that the mayor has ignored the rampant overdevelopment of the outer-bouroughs and the FACT that bloomberg basically bought the votes for extension on term limits and his tax giveaways to the financial sector.
I wonder if Bloomberg will summon a terror alert and skip one the future debates.. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D05EFDB163FF932A25753C1A9639C8B63
I don't know that much about Bill Thompson but he seems like a good, intelligent, suitable left leaning Democrat and I'm fine with that. Term limits is very much the issue and if Bill Thompson's acceptance speech is anything to go by, I am delighted to see him focus heavily on the issue of term limits. What MB did to engineer a third term run was fundamentally undemocratic and reminiscent of the worst excesses of back room politicking. For that reason alone, he must go. We citizens of New York are not for sale.
How has Bloomberg helped New York in the financial crisis?! He's helped Wall Street. If you believe in Reaganoid trickle down economics, then I guess you think Mike has helped New York. Or if you believe the Mike Bloomberg "I am the State" attitude, then Mike helping Mike is Mike helping New York.
It sounds like Mr. Thompson hopes it will be the will of the people to limit Bloomberg to two terms. Sounds good to me. That's the electoral process.
Term limit laws are another matter. They may have been passed by the will of *a* people, but not by the will of the people whom it will effect in the next election cycle, when the electorate has necessarily changed. *The* people are not now the people who voted for term limits, a superfluous or underhanded way of influencing an election, the will of the people down the road be damned.
i wouldn't say the press is intimidated, would you? nooooo iwouldn't say the press is intimidated. would you? noooo i wouldn't say the press is intimidated, would you?
listening online from work in Beijing. I'm a democrat who voted for Bloomberg last time, but not thrilled with his running for a 3rd term, seems a bit of a benevolent dictator all of a sudden. I could be convinced by Thompson to vote against Bloomberg this time.
I didn’t hear Thompson’s full speech—and I did vote for him based on a friend’s recommendation and that of the NY Times—but based on that snippet, I was undecided, but he probably won’t get my vote in November. First, he needs to remember that this city has improved in many ways over the past eight years and not all Democrats were opposed to term limits (especially since they were a relatively new creation created by politics, not angry citizens) . Second, he needs to stop saying what he’s against and say what he is for, what he will do, how he will accomplish it, and what makes him competent enough to govern 3% of the nation’s population. Points that were a total joke from the snippet: Homelessness… Um, Mr. Thompson, we happen to be in a recession Unemployment… Again, Mr. Thompson, we are in a recession and unemployment nationally is at an over 20 year high. Tickets… Tell your supporters to stop breaking the law. Otherwise you’ll be the pro crime anti-civility candidate. MTA… If he actually controlled it, versus Albany, maybe you’d have a point Water bills… If New Yorkers paid their bills, then maybe they wouldn’t be 100s of million in the rears
I'm not at all impressed with Bill Thompson's speech - though a Democrat, I think his arguments are ridiculously superficial. Sure, the majority of the population wants lower tax rates and rent,better service from the MTA, more jobs, etc. but Bloomberg didn't cause those failures! The price increases are simply the residue from a lack of investment over time. At some point, we all have to pay the piper.
"Eight is enough" makes me think of "Ocotomom Bill."
On a more serious note, the referenda on term limits was bought and sold by Ronald Lauder. If you think referenda is good democracy just look at California. Voting limits terms. Just look at how many City Council incumbents were ousted yesterday.
And I think it's a shame that I could not vote in the primaries along with thousands of other because we are registered Independents!!!! An eight wasn't just enough it was too much. It's time to dump this guy we don't need a despot ruling the city and deciding what's good for us. The man buys his way everywhere and in everything and that's the fault of those of us who let him. Dump him, we have the chance now, let's do it.
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As a registered Democrat, I voted in the primary for all my choices EXCEPT the Mayor, as I intend to split my ticket to vote for Bloomberg. I wonder how many others left the Mayor line unselected.
maybe this would help...you can read for yourself about John Liu and his ties with the CCP:
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/t/john-liu-china-connection/
RE: your segment this morning on John Liu...I've read some of the articles from The Epochtimes and hope you can do some further reporting. I've followed the Epochtimes for some time and find their knowledge of China issues to be excellent.
Errata: That's 2013 when Bloomberg's legally last term end, not 2015. But given the precedent maybe it will be 2017, or 2021!
HJS
The Times doesn’t even have a basic list of decided, runoff, undecided. It’s pretty pathetic local coverage. WNYC will probably get their info from partner New York Times when they decide full local results are important.
The five-borough backlash against the City Council support for overturning/extending term limits demonstrates Bloomberg's somewhat surprising vulnerability, but Bill Thompson sill seems too modestly civil-servant a figure to lead a credible mayoral challenge. Last night's speech doesn't change that. An upstairs-downstairs Bloomberg-rich-and-out-of-touch message won't bring around the swing voters who were attracted by Bloomberg turning the page on Giuliani with a welcome combination of technical competence, non-megalomaniacal self-assurance, and the sound instinct to try to put an end to the divisive racial and socioeconomic polarization that had for much too long characterized New York City politics. But that somewhat bland technocrat-autocratic has hardened into something more imperious, as crystalized by the term-limits reversal, and raising anew legitimate concerns about the political power of unbridled wealth that Bloomberg had previously tamped down. What is to prevent Bloomberg's succession in 2015 by yet another strong-willed civic-minded Times-endorsed billionaire backed by his peers and the great and the good of the Upper East Side, as opposed to the hoi polloi of the 'outer boroughs'? Maybe Liu, Quinn or DeBlasio will stand in their way. Maybe.
Hugh,
Class anger is an ugly thing. How much of your own money do you resist giving to the city in the form of taxes?
Don’t be jealous, go out there, start a business, and make money for yourself.
for some reason the WNYC web page doesn't have the results? so i guess i'm off to NY!
once again this website lets me down
Monty Burns
fix ur web site it doesn't load correctly
Brian- please also talk about district 19 (flushing) and the diversity of the candidates who ran for positions this year- historic landmarks for numerous ethnic communities, especially within the asian american communities!
Brian, Question where will the other candidates throw thee support now its a two man race in the comptroller and pa race?
Wow Marissa (#5), you said it better than I did. Thompson didn’t say what he would do, and unless he does, he will not get my vote. He’s acting like the Republicans on health insurance reform. Say’s what he’s against, says no to everything, and is unwilling or unable say what he’d do differently.
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Let's not forget Bloomberg's other unforgivable sin: the treatment of protesters both in the antiwar demonstration prior to the invasion of Iraq and again at the Republican convention in 2004
perhaps you asked the wrong question. may i suggest, "if you weren't intimidated, would you say that reporters are intimidated (to cover Bloomberg properly)?"
With everything that's happened with Wall Street liars and thieves over the past two years, people still buy the absurd, obscene notion that being rich means that a person must be an 'expert'. Comical. Has any other people in human history so completely embraced the faith that Wealth Is Virtue?
who is this guy?? I swear I thought wnyc made a mistake and played a Tony Avela clip..
If he keeps hammering that the mayor has ignored the rampant overdevelopment of the outer-bouroughs and the FACT that bloomberg basically bought the votes for extension on term limits and his tax giveaways to the financial sector.
I wonder if Bloomberg will summon a terror alert and skip one the future debates..
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D05EFDB163FF932A25753C1A9639C8B63
I don't know that much about Bill Thompson but he seems like a good, intelligent, suitable left leaning Democrat and I'm fine with that. Term limits is very much the issue and if Bill Thompson's acceptance speech is anything to go by, I am delighted to see him focus heavily on the issue of term limits. What MB did to engineer a third term run was fundamentally undemocratic and reminiscent of the worst excesses of back room politicking. For that reason alone, he must go. We citizens of New York are not for sale.
i don't think i can vote for bill thompson. he's against bike lanes and parking tickets. does he hate the new trees also.
How has Bloomberg helped New York in the financial crisis?! He's helped Wall Street. If you believe in Reaganoid trickle down economics, then I guess you think Mike has helped New York. Or if you believe the Mike Bloomberg "I am the State" attitude, then Mike helping Mike is Mike helping New York.
It sounds like Mr. Thompson hopes it will be the will of the people to limit Bloomberg to two terms. Sounds good to me. That's the electoral process.
Term limit laws are another matter. They may have been passed by the will of *a* people, but not by the will of the people whom it will effect in the next election cycle, when the electorate has necessarily changed. *The* people are not now the people who voted for term limits, a superfluous or underhanded way of influencing an election, the will of the people down the road be damned.
i wouldn't say the press is intimidated, would you? nooooo iwouldn't say the press is intimidated. would you? noooo i wouldn't say the press is intimidated, would you?
listening online from work in Beijing. I'm a democrat who voted for Bloomberg last time, but not thrilled with his running for a 3rd term, seems a bit of a benevolent dictator all of a sudden. I could be convinced by Thompson to vote against Bloomberg this time.
I didn’t hear Thompson’s full speech—and I did vote for him based on a friend’s recommendation and that of the NY Times—but based on that snippet, I was undecided, but he probably won’t get my vote in November.
First, he needs to remember that this city has improved in many ways over the past eight years and not all Democrats were opposed to term limits (especially since they were a relatively new creation created by politics, not angry citizens) . Second, he needs to stop saying what he’s against and say what he is for, what he will do, how he will accomplish it, and what makes him competent enough to govern 3% of the nation’s population.
Points that were a total joke from the snippet:
Homelessness… Um, Mr. Thompson, we happen to be in a recession
Unemployment… Again, Mr. Thompson, we are in a recession and unemployment nationally is at an over 20 year high.
Tickets… Tell your supporters to stop breaking the law. Otherwise you’ll be the pro crime anti-civility candidate.
MTA… If he actually controlled it, versus Albany, maybe you’d have a point
Water bills… If New Yorkers paid their bills, then maybe they wouldn’t be 100s of million in the rears
Yes, the press is intimidated by, slavish to, and just plain dumb about Bloomberg.
Here are some lines for Bill Thompson:
"We don't need no stinkin' billionaires."
"Mike, you can be mayor of Wall Street. Leave New York to the human beings."
"If Mike Bloomberg is such a believer in democracy, why's he trying to buy re-election?"
"If you're so concerned about New York, Mike, why don't you donate some of your billions to the city?"
"Mike, how can New Yorkers respect someone who never shows anyone worth less than a billion any respect?"
I'm not at all impressed with Bill Thompson's speech - though a Democrat, I think his arguments are ridiculously superficial. Sure, the majority of the population wants lower tax rates and rent,better service from the MTA, more jobs, etc. but Bloomberg didn't cause those failures! The price increases are simply the residue from a lack of investment over time. At some point, we all have to pay the piper.
"Eight is enough" makes me think of "Ocotomom Bill."
On a more serious note, the referenda on term limits was bought and sold by Ronald Lauder. If you think referenda is good democracy just look at California. Voting limits terms. Just look at how many City Council incumbents were ousted yesterday.
Who cares what Koch thinks anymore. Personally I don't think he doe think!!
And I think it's a shame that I could not vote in the primaries along with thousands of other because we are registered Independents!!!! An eight wasn't just enough it was too much. It's time to dump this guy we don't need a despot ruling the city and deciding what's good for us. The man buys his way everywhere and in everything and that's the fault of those of us who let him. Dump him, we have the chance now, let's do it.
Question: How many people voted in yesterday's primary?
Comment: I think that it is shameful that Brian Lehrer, a concerned citizen if there ever was one, was not permitted to vote because election workers were late in opening up his polling station.
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