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Over 2,650 professionals urge the US Congress to stop water fluoridation until Congressional hearings are conducted, citing scientific evidence that fluoridation, long promoted to fight tooth decay, is ineffective and has serious health risks. See statement:http://www.fluorideaction.org/statement.august.2007.html.

Also, eleven Environmental Protection Agency employee unions representing over 7000 environmental and public health professionals called for a moratorium on drinking water fluoridation programs across the country, and have asked EPA management to recognize fluoride as posing a serious risk of causing cancer in people. (1a)

for more info
http://www.FluorideAction.Net

Where is the so called Freedom of this country?
Forced vaccination in a free country?
Why so many Medical Doctors are not agree with the swing flu vaccine?

re: person who left the following comment "the reason why kids get so many vaccines at once now is that the new vaccines are more targeted, therefore requiring a smaller amount of vaccine, which makes it safer. It's also done this method because it's cheaper, faster, effective and more convenient."

New certainly does not equate to well studied, observed & safe.
Cheaper, faster & convenient are not words I would use to describe the seriousness of my children's safety. Safe & healthy are at the top of my life.

I wouldn't dare to state that these vacciness are effective either. Do some children receive them & remain unharmed (meaning unreported, unseen, & only receiving "mild" reactions). Sure. But how many of these children suffer from some type of reaction, & I guarantee that EVERY human that receives ANY vaccine is altered in some way. How could the chemicals in these vaccines, the animal RNA absolutely alters our DNA...I could go on. I believe that vaccines, among many other factors contribute to the increase in autism.

If emotionally charged people would keep their opinions to themselves and simply read and research facts, it would be far easier to gather accurate and viable information to then make informed choices. People need to realize that you need to be informed whether you choose to vaccinate or not. Then if we look at the obvious fact that H1N1 was just discovered last year ask yourselves how long was this vaccine tested before being "mandated" and injected into the masses. You would have to be crazy to not realize the great potential for problems to come about. Work on your immune systems and practice wellness. If you don't do that then it is you who are putting us all in danger not those who choose to not vaccinate. Wellness takes time and thought of which really what is more important then overall heath and wellness?? Why is it that people only choose to take care of themselves after disease occurs? If we would all become responsible for ourselves the world would change in may ways!

Sadly, the bloated vaccination schedule forced on the US children is nothing more than a simple case of follow the money. Vaccines are big business. There are hundreds of un studied ingredients in vacines.
No studies have been done to the safety of giving tiny babies and children 39 vaccinations before they are 4 years of age. Many, for non life threatening illnesses. No other countries have not adopted any where near our ridiculous vaccination schedule, and other countries have much lower under 5 mortality rate and much lower rates of autism. Sadly, in the US it is simply a case that vaccines are big money, and children are paying the price for corporate profits.

Brian, please provide more advocates
and doctors who stand against the status quo on vaccination.
Judging from the emails you have recieved, it seems you are not covering the topic fairly.
It doesn't take much searching to find researchers and Doctors who have credible data and are very concerned about the number of children who are vulnerable due to genetics or health predisposition to getting toxins into their bloodstreams. Not the way they are usually exposed to toxins in the environment.

Invite Gary Null on so he can show you all the studies doctors and scientist who are totally against theses vaccines. He has a great way of explaining the truth. Also he has two DVD's Vaccine Nation which you can google, and Autism Made In The USA.

Many parents are leary due not just to statistics but due to the mere fact that parents KNOW their children and can detect the slightest changes in their child's temperments and personalities. The parents of many who have been interviewed noticed the problems of autism arise directly after the children were vaccinated with more than one shot. Therefore it would be a crime to refuse these parents their rights and duty to protect their children as each sees fit. If you feel strongly that you should vaccinate than by all means do so and if you feel strongly against it for moral reasons or out of fear than you should not have to vaccinate or at least stagger vaccines. There are alternative vaccinations that have no chemicals such as formaldehide nor mercury preservatives. It is a fact that autism and asthma are much more prevalent and vaccines are given to infants much earlier, now as early as 1 week old!
Drug companies would lose alot of money if vaccines were allowed to be suspect to serious ailments and death, yet we know any overdosing of meds can lead to these types of problems. It's just logic.
also I will go off on a tangent for a moment but it is true that a few friends of mine have had their pets vaccinated and noticed that their animals' temperment changed significantly directly after that. So parents may be on to something when they notice these changes.

There has never been a study in the USA of unvaccinated and vaccinated.
Why not do a study!
Give us the right to choose whether or not to vaccinate!

By the way, I AM recovering my son from Autism. Yes, 60,000 children in this country have recovered so far. Funny, how the important stuff doesn't seem to make the news. Only lies and fear mongering. My baby and I were both injured by vaccines in 2007. He by 9 over the course of 6 months and me by 1. I am lucky I lived to tell our story. To read about it go to vaccinesexposed dot blogspot dot com.

It is not the toxins causing Autism. It is the vaccine contaminants. Sure the toxins add fuel to the fire, but it is really the animal viruses that are causing an explosion in Autism cases. Read "Fear of the Invisible" by Janine Roberts. Not only will you never look at vaccines the same way again, but you will probably want to assault your doctor for abusing your child.

Follow the money trail on big Pharma

I have to agree with gina #44 and gary #11

To me it is just a matter of common sense. Injecting anything like what is in vaccines into ones bloodstream is at the least risky and unhealthy. Doing this to newborn, and being force to do so is worst. Its not just about "facts", facts seem to always change with time. It is about living healthy, and our choice to define that for ourselves.
We can continue to debate but in the meantime I should not be force to vaccinate my infant's developing immune system.

Edward #82 I never mentioned "doctor" you did. Why would a doctor who takes an oath to do no harm be a part of that? What I am saying about vaccination, others here have pointed out facts that you're not paying attention to. Meanwhile, you haven't said anything of valid substance. Your focus appears to be on individuals and trying to provoke and stir emotion instead of addressing the subject at hand. And I am not anti vaccination as you like to label those who don't wish to have them. I'm PRO Vaccination for all who want them or feel they need them!

The questions we are all discussing misses the point. It's not whether of not a microbial agent can be transmitted and cause disease. The question can be distilled down to this: Can these diseases kill us to warrant injecting a vaccine into us? No, not if they are seen as necessary catarrhs. Examples:

For the treatment of infectious diseases, hygienic clinical practitioners were equally successful as their counterparts in public health. For example, at the turn of the century while thousands died or suffered dementia from Dr. Paul Erlich’s toxic mercury and arsenic syphilis treatments, Dr. Herman of the Hospital Weiden in Vienna, Austria managed to heal 60,000 cases over the 30 year period that he was superintendent there. He never experienced a case of tertiary-stage syphilis, or “neurosyphilis”, because he never used a drop of mercury, whose effects are neurological.

In America, the modern history of Natural Hygiene (NH) began in 1830. Some of the early leaders of the movement were Sylvester Graham, Dr. William Alcott, Dr. Mary Gove, Dr. Isaac Jennings, Dr. Russell Trall and Dr. John Tilden. The underlying philosophy of NH is that the body is self-cleansing, self-healing and self-maintaining. Food only provides nourishment. There are no substances that possess mystical properties that heal cells, tissues, or organs. The process of cellular repair (healing) is performed by the body, and it performs this function best in the absence of foreign or extraneous matter, such as food, drugs, or even herbs and vitamin supplements. Practitioners of NH have had phenomenal clinical successes. From 1880 to 1940, people from all over the U.S. came to John Tilden’s Denver sanitarium. The same was true for Herbert Shelton’s clinic in San Antonio, Texas from 1923 to 1981. Today, there are several good clinics and fasting retreats where people may regain their health (to the extent that they are physically able and willing) from a wide variety of illnesses.

[22] mc: Those studies of the Amish population could support the hypothesis that autism has genetic causes.

RESPONSE:
I agree. But that doesn't say much. It's like saying poor nutrition leads to scurvy. True. But it also leads to a plethora of other diseases, and even pathological social outcomes. Genetic susceptibility might be the most common biological marker for most kinds diseases. But they express themselves with cofactors, which, by the way, belies the theory of specific etiology of allopathic medicine.

[22] mc: Too many people nowadays do not remember what a case of measles or whooping cough looks like anymore.

RESPONSE: That's only because in locations where measles vaccination rates are high, public health serveillance for it is low, and possible cases are clinically diagnosed as other inflammatory diseases.

32] JP: The Amish don’t drive cars. They don’t eat preservatives. They make their own furniture, clothing and bedding unlike the mass produced versions the general public use’s. Most don’t use chemicals on their crops. etc etc etc.

RESPONSE: You forgot to mention that they don't utter swear words and wear funny hats! But seriously, what they also do not do is induce blood poisoning. That is what vaccination is. Nothing in nature can inflict a more damage to health than to introduce poison into the bloodstream. We see the results in a dose-dependent relationship. The more shots, the more damage is done. Anyway, there are ways to eliminate the variables you mention, because you will never get a perfect cohort pair in population studies.

Ed...I will be 70 in a few days. Until my grandson was diagnosed autistic 8 years ago..I always believed that Salk's polio vaccine was the greatest public health accomplishment in my lifetime. Sadly..I have learned by my grandson's experience...that I was wrong.

I will not belabor the "frightening" risks associated with Salk's polio vaccine...but..I will recommend reading "The River".

My friend...there are literally THOUSANDS of parents who report the exact same experience...taking their perfectly healthy..normally developing child..to a "well visit" with their pediatrician...having that child receive...in many instances..multiple vaccines...and...inexplicably...within moments, hours, days, weeks, months...their child suffered extraordinarily high temperatures, seizures, sleepless nights for weeks on end, diminished development skills..including communication...eventually being diagnosed with autism.

A few hundred may be dismissed as "coincidental" to the vaccines...but..THOUSANDS suggest more than mere "coincidence" may be responsible.

I do sympathize that you cannot cite ONE toxicological study supporting the scientific hypothosis that thimerosal is "harmless"...because....THERE ARE NONE.

Thimerosal was "grandfathered" in when the FDA was created...and...is so "cost effective" that it continues to be used...for example..in annual flu vaccines...YEARS after public health officials REQUESTED IT BE REMOVED FROM VACCINES.

My friend...this is not personal...those are the FACTS..deny them all you want.

Gina #83:
Not saying the science is good or bad, just saying that just because two things happen close together in a timeline does not mean one causes the other. THAT would be bad science.

Renee #73 and #74…
You're not paying close attention. I said that you would not know if she's a carrier unless you tested her because a carrier does NOT get sick from the virus she carries, only infects others. It's not anyone's fault--it just happens.

Have there been adequate studies about the
chemicals in the flu vaccines on mice?

Why don't they manufacture safer vaccines?

Bob, I'm sure nothing anyone could say would persuade you. You don't like the results of epidemiological studies. Therefore, all epidemiology is suspect and you want a toxicological study. I don't have such a study to point to, so you've nailed me there. But if I did, and it didn't support your point of view, I'm sure you'd want another one. And then another one after that...

My son who is now 13 almost died from his vaccinations when he was almost 4 months old. The doctors office and hospital both refused to admit that it was a reaction to his vaccines. They refused to report it as required. He was fine and never had a problem until his first set of shots. Within an hour of having them, he started getting fussy and crying and sweating. His fever spiked and he was screaming inconsolably for hours. When we arrived at the hospital, I was told that he needed a spinal tap done immediately due to the fact that he seems to have meningitis. I refused and they called the police and social services. As a young single mother they coerced me to sign the consent form by threatening to have me arrested on the spot by the officer standing there for child endangerment and neglect and that social services would take my son and have the test done anyhow. They REFUSED to acknowledge that he had his shots less than 12 hours prior and could possibly be having a reaction.

I firmly believe if the instances that happened were reported EVERY TIME they happened rather than redirected or flat out ignored, it would be blatently obvious that there is a strong connection between vaccines and illness and/or injury.

I am curious as to how many parents had their child(ren) vaccinated and had a reaction and it was swept under the rug. There definitely seems to be a link between vaccines and reactions leading to other illnesses and disease.

Hey...Ed from NJ...since you have accepted the role of defending this "supposed expert" on autism...I would like to ask you the same question that I would have hoped the moderator had asked HIM when given the opportunity to do so.

Name me ONE toxicological study that exonerates Thimerosal from causing neurological damage? Just ONE.

My friend...that shouldn't be too hard..since Thimerosal has been used for DECADES...so...the toxicological evidence should be ENORMOUS.

Give me ONE.

All of you who think vaccines are safe and useful please feel free to take them as often as you like.But please don't force your values on those of us who don't want them.

I apologize Renee my comment was intended for the orginal poster #49 JP.

And MC the science IS bad! Would you let some make a decision for you who had a vested interest on one side or the other? I have looked at the studies...some right from the CDC itself. Why would there be a "SECRET" meeting (SIMSONWOOD, RESEARCH IT) where big pharma was trying to tweek numbers and so-called CEO's were saying they didn't want their own grandchildren to get vaxes w/ Thimersol in them. JUST FOLLOW THE $$$$. We need to consider ALL the toxins in the vax. not just Thimerasol and the fact that we are introducing DNA other than our own into our bodies. My eighth grade students could conduct a better experiment than that! LET US COMPARE THE VAX GROUP TO THE NON-VAX GROUP FIRST AND GO FROM THERE! There are enough parents of unvaccinated healthy children out there who would welcome the research.

And MC we are all *CARRIERS* of these bacteria and such. They live on our skin and in the linings of our pathways. It is only when your immune system is down that your body becomes more susceptible to sickness. Treat your body well and it will reward you in more ways then you might imagine.

Not sure who wrote this but it shows your ignorance on this topic when you said we all got vax and we're fine...first of all we didn't all get the vaxes (amount or frequency) our children are receiving today. Look back (DO THE RESEARCH) and see what you received in the 60's, 70's, 80's and so on...you will have to make a connection at some point!

Renee, why would you refer to a doctor as a "psychopath with a poison needle"? Are you trying to provoke fear in order to strengthen your argument? Isn't that propaganda?

Technically, I suppose the anti-vaccine folks posting here aren't "trolls" in the normal message-board sense of the term. Most seem to really believe what they're saying, and some are cynically hocking their wares. So they aren't trolls, but they're still wrong.

Edward, why are you calling people trolls? Is it Because you disagree or are in denial? Namecalling is another form of propaganda.

"The name-calling technique links a person, or idea, to a negative symbol. The propagandist who uses this technique hopes that the audience will reject the person or the idea on the basis of the negative symbol, instead of looking at the available evidence."

I'm glad books are available for those who wish to read on their own and weigh the pros and cons for themselves.

fluoridation? really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjL9g3s6Fro

Green our vaccines now. They are clearly linked to autoimmune diseases.

Please provide more often advocates and doctors who stand against the status quo on vaccination, HIV, and fluoridation.
Thank you.

Please remember that in order to fairly represent the many ideas surrounding this issue, you must have more experts on the show who are not for the status quo regarding vaccines, HIV and fluoridation. They do exist, and the numbers are increasing. It is only necessary for our further development in these matters to remove the ideas from the "belief" systems of the existing order, and to continue to examine them with a scientific, evidence-based approach.

I probably should just stop feeding the trolls, but here are two thoughts...

It's funny how many people who point to a profit-driven-corporate-government-conspiracy-to-hide-the-dangers-of-vaccines seem to have a book to sell.

The reason they don't interview more anti-vaccine "experts" on the show is the same reason they don't interview more intelligent design "experts" or "experts" who don't think global warming is real.

Listening to Roy Grinker made my head spin.

This "expert" did not offer ONE credible explanation for the failure of "science" to "rule out" vaccines as a possible contributing factor in that increase.

After all...how difficult should it be for "science" to put thimerosal (mercury) in a petri dish with living cells and see what happens to those living cells? I'll even give him a hint...THEY DIE!!!

Instead...this "expert" would have us rely upon numerous epidemiological (population) studies..the same unreliable type studies SUCCESSFULLY conducted by tobacco companies to deny any link between "cigarettes and cancer".

Please...the next opportunity you have to question this "expert"...ask him to name all the "toxicological studies" conducted that "prove" no link between this scientifically acknowledged nuerological toxin and autism? Trust me...his answer will be NONE.

mc, people are dying in great numbers from a variety of diseases caused by vaccination and other things. What exactly are vaccinated children protecting unvaccinated children from? If there's an outbreak of the diseases vaccines were made to prevent, chances are, the vaccinated child will still get sick. If the vaccination cannot protect them from disease, how could the vaccinated protect the unvaccinated? And..What is too young to have vaccinations? They're injecting babies from the time they come out of the womb.

mc #68 My child is not sick...no fever, no chills, no vomiting, no rashes, no coughing, no sore throat, no weight loss, no need for testing. Having her tested based on the fear and ignorance of some people is not logical to me. I would not subject my child to such a thing.

I am sympathetic to any parent who does not like being dictated to in terms of what to do about vaccination. But it was not so long ago that people died in great numbers of diseases that have been all but wiped out now. What are we as a society to do? Should people go live on an island where they will not come into contact with anyone else? Many of the unvaccinated children are likely protected by the fact that most of their peers ARE vaccinated. But it happens that an unvaccinated child can be a carrier without anyone knowing it, infect someone who is too young to have had the vaccination and then you have an outbreak. Where does the individual liberty and the community safety meet?

The only experts I hear on your show are those who favor vaccination and other beliefs favored by drug companies and other special interest groups. The media needs to give citizens of our democracy access to both sides of important health issues by having health professionals and scientists as guests who express opposing beliefs on these subjects.

I have a 4 yo daughter who have never been vaccinated she has not never been sick to the point of frustration. I face mandatory vaccination at work or loose my job, but will refuse. I feel that we are individuals who should have the choice of what we do with our bodies in a godly manner. GOD gave us special instructions of how we should eat and take care of our bodies, so to do something any different is abominable to the most high.

Gina #44:
Granted, no one likes big pharma, lease of all me, but that does not mean that the research is no good. That is an assumption--guilt by association if you please.

Renee #42
There is no way for you to know if your child is a carrier unless she is tested for everything she was not vaccinated for.

Continued from #54..If your vaccinated and protected-from-disease kid catches anything from anyone, your lawsuit should be against the pharmaceutical company who created the vaccine and stated that it prevents dis-ease. Also sue your doctor as an accomplice! Why sue me? I never told you to vaccinate your child without doing your homework. I didn't inject your child with the vaccine and tell you that it's safe and effective. Stay focused!

*Why can't the CDC just go ahead and change the vaccine Schedule??*
Why can't it be spread out a bit more to allow the kids to develop some of their own immunity? What's the big holdup? All kids are different and a doctor *cannot* tell just by looking at it whether or not this will be the unlucky child that develops autism after a vaccination. We need to give the kids a fighting chance. And there is no way I will ever believe that "it was just a coincidence" that the child either died or developed neurological problems right after the vaccination.

please explain to me how injecting the human body with microorganisms, parts of microorganisms, chemicals and all the other crap in vaccines can possibly be healthy, can possibly not impact the immune system and detoxification systems in a negative way, can not interfere with normal cell physiology (which then impacts tissues, organs, organ systems, the whole organism)?

Nature did not mean for the human body to be injected like this.

And what I forgot to say...great guest. You should have more advocates who stand against the status quo on these issues.

No shots for us thanks. We live as naturally as possible (food, clothing, etc.)in this world where that is sadly becoming harder by the minute and my 3 year old NON vaccinated daughter has never had any illness other than a couple of meager colds in her life. She has never thrown up or had a fever higher than 101. Yes, she could contract something or carry something or give it to someone else, but if you check the data, so can those who have been vaccinated. I'd much rather let her systems develop naturally. Whether or not the ingredients in shots cause or don't cause issues, they are not normal things you would ever consider eating so why have them introduced directly into your bloodstream?

I am the author of the soon to be released book, Vaccines Are Dangerous - A Warning To The Global Community. Anyone says doubts that there is a link between the mercury that was placed in vaccines given to children and the epidemic of autism, has not done the research or has an interest in denying the facts. Mercury is the second most toxic substance on the planet and the symptoms of mercury poisoning are identical to the symptoms to autism. Children who not vaccinated such the Amish, don't get autism unless they are exposed to mercury from other services. The evidence is massive as I discuss in my book.

The misleading information being put out about autism is the same type of thing being done with regards to H1N1. Anyone who analyzes the statistics and the facts, knows that there is no emergency with regards to H1N1. Officially, H1N1 only qualifies as a rare disease. The H1N1 vaccines are extremely dangerous and contain mercury and cancer cells from animals among other horrific things. For more information on my book go to www.vaccinesaredangerous.com
The book will be released November 1, 2009.

The fact remains that new vaccines are tried on the general public. And also that the Adverse Reaction Reporting system is HIGHLY flawed.

Brian, I would have liked to hear from more people who were against using thimerosol in vaccines or who can show a link with autism.
There are credible experts on both sides of the debate. Why not hear from both sides equally?

Gina #53, I have no idea what you're talking about. When did I say my child will be vaccinated? If anyone made an attempt to inject her without my consent, it would be assault with a deadly weapon and I will deal with them as I would deal with any other criminal attempting to cause harm.
I have no problem with the choices other people make, their idea of health and their personal "beliefs" as long as they are not trying to impose on mine.

Which ever side you fall on this issue the fact that they are mandatory for children is ridiculous.If a parent is afraid for their child becomming ill from a non-vaccinated child then have your child vaccinated and leave my child be.It should be the parents choice.

People! Thimerosol is NOT the issue! Did you know that there is mercury in high fructose corn syrup? the real issue is the RECOMBINANT DNA that is in these vaccines! they have been using reverse genetic engineering for years in vaccines and calling them retro viruses. (retro means 'reverse' in this case - hence the name retro). they are using DNA from animals, reversing the DNA, combining it with synthetic virus, adding squalene (which shuts down the immune system) THEN encapsulating in thimerosol. The reversed DNA from the animal, combines with the DNA in the human causing all sorts of 'genetically' caused diseases...autism, lou gehrigs, friedrich's ataxia...they can say they are 'genetic' diseases because in essence, they ARE. only, it's not YOUR DNA!!
Autism, lou gehrig's et al, are only the beginning...in generations to come we will be seeing mutations such as tails, claws etc.

Here’s some common science science. Everyone on this page has had vaccinations at one point or another if they have lived in this country all their life. It’s been this way for well over half a century now. We have all but eradicated many nasty viruses that were common and killed millions. I know there are those that feel things like polio never existed or it went away by its self. Sure, and man never landed on the moon to.

My point is, if vaccinations are so bad even though they’ve been around for a very long time, how is it we are still alive? How is it that anyone one is even well enough to write on this page or even get out of bed? And if all these horrible carcinogens in vaccines (as if there are no carcinogens in everything else your child touches and eats everyday…) are killing kids then why is it that all kids that had vaccinations are not sick and dying? Maybe autism is caused by parents sitting their infants in front of the TV for hours and hours everyday….

Sound to simplistic? Of course it is. But so is reading the ingredients to anything and reading self fulfilling blogs and making an immediate correlation with blinders on that vaccinations cause autism. We live in the world toxicity. I fear the cause of autism will be much harder to figure out then using arm chair science or bunk science fear mongering websites.

I am not completely convinced one way or the other regarding the effectiveness or safety of vaccines. However, it is clear that big profits are generated by mandatory vaccinations and it is the legal obligation of the corporations that manufacture these products to MAXIMIZE THEIR PROFITS for stockholders. Corporate money, lobbyists, and influence peddlers have hijacked our health care, prevented environmental progress, and contaminated our food and water. These same corporate interests are able to trot out so called "scientific experts" (who also benefit financially) to support their claims about tobacco, food additives, medications, climate change, etc. When big profits are involved big lies are not unusual. Even if you believe in vaccines, it makes no sense to inject infants with undeveloped immune systems with powerful and toxic substances. At least wait a few years !

JP #49...Okay, my child is unvaccinated and HEALTHY and your mind has now put her in the category of DYING from German Measles and giving it to your vaccinated and supposedly protected child. What nonsense! My child stands a better chance of dying at the hands of a psychopath with a poison needle. Please understand that no matter what you say (wishing death upon my healthy child because of my choice to keep her healthy, etc.)I am not the person that you can convince that vaccines prevent anything. You basically stated that your vaccinated child is at risk! What's the purpose of vaccination again?

Reneeeeee, you shouldn't have to worry since your child will be vaccinated... right? If you BELIEVE in the vaccine...you will have TOTAL protection. Just be mindful that we all want our children to be healthy...some just have a different approach...vitalism!

The issue of influenza vaccine is relative risk. death rate from pneumonia and influenza is 30 in 100000, or about 40000 americans a year. Worst estimate of h1n1 looks like 85000 deaths, but reular flu will probably eclipse h1n1. There is a shift to younger people dying. The US government bought 200 million doses but remember you need double vaccinate for h1n1 so roughly 1 in 4 can get it. Canada buys for every citizen. About 5% of h1n1 cases will be admitted to the hospital and estimated about 5% of them will die.

The rate of Guillian Barre is 1 in 200000 yearly, about 70-100 cases a year in usa. Rose to about 1 in 100000 in 1976 with about 500 cases but these were just observed cases by public health care workers.. did not meet the conclusive criteria. Of those only 5% will die and 30% will have some residual weakness.

IS THERE REALLY A DEBATE?

GET YOUR FLU SHOTS!!!

To those who don't think it's useful to discover whether there is a cause to the epidemic of autism:

Either the increase from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 100 is "merely" a result of better diagnosis or reporting, OR there is a cause in the environment or treatment of children that is responsible.

Saying we shouldn't worry about the cause is like seeing the lung cancer rate skyrocketing and saying we shouldn't be concerned whether the cause is tobacco smoking...

Oh, that's right, isn't that just what the public health authorities did for a century?

Dr. Gary Null tells us about the 1942 full page ad in JAMA, "47,000 doctors recommend Lucky Strike" to soothe your throat. We all now know about the complicity of the medical profession and political public health system in killing millions of Americans with tobacco.

So, will the guardians of public health sometime in the near future discover that the epidemic of autism has a cause?

And will they apologize for the many thousands of families wrecked by their oh-so-profitable vaccination programs?

Mercury and thimerosal have by no means been exonerated in the autism debate.There was no recall of vaccines and there are records of thimerosal containing vaccines being administered to children as late as 2004. In addition, the CDC added flu shots to the recommended schedule in 2002 most of which contain mercury.
The statement that ethyl-mercury does not bioaccumulate is incorrect. The studies that have been done in infants and primates show that ethyl-mercury clears the bloodstream faster than methyl-mercury but no mass balance was done in those studies to determine whether the mercury was excreted or deposited in other body tissues. A study published in 2005 compared infant macaques who received equal amounts of ethyl and methyl mercury and replicated the blood findings. However, that study also found an increased deposit of inorganic mercury in the brains of the primates exposed to thimerosal (ethyl-mercury) compared to methyl-mercury. Regarding the epidemiological studies that are supposed to exonerate thimerosal, they typically exclude any infant that was premature or low birth weight despite that population likely being at the greatest risk from thimerosal. Also, at least two of the studies have found an increased risk of language delays and tic disorders in children who received thimerosal. Language delay is a core symptom of autism and tic disorders are often co-morbid. There are also several published studies showing that children with autism differ from controls in how they metabolize mercury. There are now three studies (2 in Texas and one in San Franciso)showing increased rates of autism and special-ed services in areas with higher rates of environmental mercury. A recently published study based on NHANES data shows that the mercury levels in the general population are increasing.

Renee from Brooklyn, New York

If your unvaccinated child got German measles and died but also gave it to and killed my kid while they were in a public palce or public school, you’d have no child and a very large wrongful death suit on your hands and you’re wages would be garnished for the rest of your life to pay for my settlement and laywer's fees.

Your not a rebel, your just reckless.

People! thimersol is NOT the issue!!!! it is the RECOMBINANT DNA (mutated DNA) from ANIMALS that is the real problem!!! for god sake, there is mercury in High Fructose Corn Syrup!!!!
the RECOMBINANT DNA is the problem. as is the SQUALENE. Squalene shuts down the immune system. MUTATED DNA (from animals) COMBINES with the DNA in the human and causes DISEASE and DEFORMITY.
Do you want your grandchildren being born with Tails? or Claws?
THESE ARE RETRO VIRUSES PEOPLE. they have been injecting them into us for years. Retro means REVERSE ...they are REVERSING the DNA of animals, hence the word 'retro'. then they combine it with a SYNTHETIC virus, encapsulate it in mercury (after adding the squalene...and a bit of vitamin E...so that they can say it's good for you...) and inject it into your blood stream.
there is no way on earth that you would EVER have this stuff in your system unless it was injected.
you see, because the DNA that's injected into you combines with your DNA, they can say that you have a 'genetic' disease...because in effect, it IS genetic...just not YOUR genes.
Autism, Lou Gehrig's, Friedrich's Ataxia are only the beginning...in generations to come, if we live that long...we will see all sorts of genetic atrocities.

I think that it is unfortunate that we have allowed the powers that "be" to wittle away at our civil liberties. It is just down right unconstitutional to mandate health care workers in NY or anywhere to take a vaccine that contains Thimerosal. Mercury, whether it is linked to Autism or not is extremely dangerous. This H1N1 vaccine has not been tested nearly enough to hand out millions of doses. I have five children who have not been vaccintaed and all of them are extremely healthy. The only illness they have ever had is Chicken Pox. People need to stand up and protect themselves and their children. You should check out how many Doctors won't be giving themselves or their children the H1N1 vaccine.

(part 2 :) I was at a public office the other day and walked by when I hear a nurse telling a young pregnant woman how important it was to make sure she got her flu shot. OMG!!!! hmmm....thimerisol will get to that child even before it's born. Even with that said, thimerisol is not the only concern, aluminum content, and a host of other "questionable" ingredients that if people knew where in vaccines would cause them to at least get further information first. The information is out there. No the pediatricians usually never hand you the Merk pamphlet that come with the vaccine in the box, but that information is all on the CDC's website and a host of others for parents to check out. Don;t take the frightened pediatrician's word or those who are uniformed. Check out the vaccine ingredients and gather all the information and at least make an informed decision on what is absolutly necessary for your child. Not what Julie Gerberding recommends. In all states there are recommendations and requirements. Knwo what is required and your rights.

Reading through some of these comments about how thimerisol has been removed from vaccines is the part that is unbelievable. NO it has not. I am a mother of an autistic little girl and I have been to numerous "autism" conferences locally and am absoluty astonished when the "speakers" come out and make that claim. Its absolutly untrue.

That is part of the misconception. Let me state here and now...like many other moms and dads out there. I am NOT anti-Vaccine. I do not feel vaccines were the CAUSE of my child's autism. I simply have conducted a lot of research and looked into the factual information (much from the CDC itself)...and feel with the enormous increase in sheer numbers of vaccines over the last 20 years, it's just too much...too soon.

Thimerisol is STILL in EVERY SINGLE flue shot as well in "trace" amounts in many of the other vaccines...but the reason we usually find issues with the MMR is those trace amounts add up when you shove all 3 vaccines together. Yet this majical claim that thimerisol has been removed from all vaccines is what really confuses the situation making it sound like kids don't get any thimerisol at all, when in fact they do.

To those of you saying there is NO connection between vaccines and neurological disorders I suggest you dig a LITTLE deeper and do your own research. Most of the studies done are funded by big pharma and people who hold patents to these vaccines. Talk about a conflict of interest!The scientific method is sure to be compromised if we continue to accept this type of research as fact! Any logical person could see the plausability between injecting toxic material, not just Thimersol, into ones body and the affects and effects it could cause. There are a number of other toxins in these vaccines we are not talking about...Aluminum, Antifreeze, Formaldhyde, Aborted fetal tissue to name a few. Let's fund a real study that's done independently and without bias. Just remember the government has paid almost 2 billion dollars out to families of vaccine injured children to date. What happens when these children grow up and need to be taken care of...all of a sudden taxes go up and all of you saying there is no connection what-so-ever will be begging for studies to be conducted!! People need to wake up and realize that MAYBE the vaccine program needs to be re-evaluated. To trade the POTENTIAL of disease for the epidemics of disease we are seeing these days just doesn't make sense to me. Let's stop pointing fingers and work together for our children's sake. We are better than this.

I totally 100%agree with alysia from Cambridge, MA.

All this boogie man talk and voodoo armchair blog science does not help kids with autism but only helps lawyers for desperate parents trying to find an answer as to why thier child is sick while thousands of families are completely in the dark as to what they are supposed to do now that their child has autism.

mc#39...my unvaccinated child is not a carrier, she's garbage free, but a vaccinated child walks around with all sorts of toxic waste in there system and would be more of a threat to any infant. My unvaccinated child was an infant too. She was not confined to a bubble and did not contract anything from anyone. Vaccination protecting the herd is propaganda. The safest vaccine is the vaccine unused.

John from NYC,

Just about everything you wear, sit on, lay on, walk on and even eat all have well documented known carcinogens. Have you eliminated all those for potential causes for Autism?

I'm a mother of a son on the spectrum and I'm also very tired of the autism/vaccines debate. Instead of focusing on what causes autism and ASD can we look at how to get better diagnoses for ASD, and what sort of services actually help kids on the spectrum-- is it better to try to normalize these kids or is it better to separate them with special ABA services? Also: Why are the best ASD specialists so hard to see unless you have the right connections? How does parenting kids of special needs affect marriage, families, income? Let's focus energies on actually helping families and learn something new in this area.

Renee #31:
Your unvaccinated child can be a carrier of measles and any number of other awful diseases without getting sick from them. She is in a position to infect infants who are not old enough to be vaccinated. There could be any number of reasons why she does not need to see the doctor and your son does. Just because two things happen in tandem does not establish a causal relationship.

There is a large population in the US that does not vaccinate -- the Amish -- and who do not seem to have the same level of autism now showing up in the vaccinated population. The study that's needed, and one which various govt agencies have so far failed to fund, is comparing that population with the vaccinated.

This issue isn't just about mercury "preservatives" in vaccines, it's also about the whole concept of vaccination and the other ingredients that constitute an assault on the normal structure and function of the immune system.

Though certainly, mercury remains an issue, since almost all vaccines still contain mercury, but sometimes "only" in a "trace" amount that FDA does not require the vaccine drug pushers to declare on their labels. In an exchange of emails with some of the Angry Moms from AgeofAutism.com a couple years ago, CDC admitted as much.

More information about these vital issues at our web site, http://www.HealthFreedomUSA.org

Swine flu vaccine has thimerosal (mercury)
as well as Squalene, research it for yourself below.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/08/04/Squalene-The-Swine-Flu-Vaccines-Dirty-Little-Secret-Exposed.aspx

We are individuals. We should have the right to choose what we put in our bodies. The most high gave us statues and commandments about our bodies and he is in charge of all things and everything. So for those who get vaccines and believe their is a GOD then you disrespect the temple he gave you. Vaccines=Bio terroism

One or the top neurosurgeons Dr.Russell Blayloc says their is a link between vaccination and many neurological problems. The university of Calgary proved that Thimerosal causes neurological damage.

http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/

http://commons.ucalgary.ca/mercury/

I would like to thank

Gary K

Wake up people!!!

Autism is not the only fear from vaccines people... try death, severe reaction, also contracting the very illness you are vaccinating for to name a few. Do you know the lists of horrible things they put in these so called "safe" shots?
In addition to the viral and bacterial RNA or DNA that is part of the vaccines, here are the fillers:
aluminum hydroxide
aluminum phosphate
ammonium sulfate
amphotericin B
animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain,
dog kidney, monkey kidney,
chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg
calf (bovine) serum
betapropiolactone
fetal bovine serum
formaldehyde
formalin
gelatin
glycerol
human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
hydrolized gelatin
monosodium glutamate (MSG)
neomycin
neomycin sulfate
phenol red indicator
phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)
potassium diphosphate
potassium monophosphate
polymyxin B
polysorbate 20
polysorbate 80
porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein
residual MRC5 proteins
sorbitol
sucrose
thimerosal (mercury)
tri(n)butylphosphate,
VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells
washed sheep red blood cells

I am sorry but For my children this does NOT sound "safe"

Try looking up a study that looks at all the children who have died of so called "S.I.D.S". Most of the time those babies have died at the exact times of a normal vaccine schedule. And for some reason the doctors can not put two & two together? Over how many years this has been going on? and at the cost of ASTOUNDING numbers of dead and permanently ill children.

The New swine flu vaccine HAS thimerisol in it as well as a host of other adjuvants.Like Squalene research it!.

Squalene has yet to be approved by the FDA for use in any U.S. vaccine.

Flu vaccines can also contain a number of chemical toxins, including ethylene glycol (antifreeze), formaldehyde, phenol (carbolic acid) and even antibiotics like Neomycin and streptomycin.

In addition to the viruses and other additives, many vaccines also contain immune adjuvants like aluminum and squalene.

What Squalene Does to Rats

a single injection of the adjuvant squalene into rats triggered “chronic, immune-mediated joint-specific inflammation,” also known as rheumatoid arthritis.

Don't trust these big Pharma companies who server to only profit from more people getting sick. please educate yourselves. you have been warned the rest is up to you!

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/08/04/Squalene-The-Swine-Flu-Vaccines-Dirty-Little-Secret-Exposed.aspx

#11 Gary from Queens,

The Amish don’t drive cars. They don’t eat preservatives. They make their own furniture, clothing and bedding unlike the mass produced versions the general public use’s. Most don’t use chemicals on their crops. They have a lot less stress then the average person. Most don’t use cell phones or even regular phones. They don’t have TV or microwaves or computers or printers in their house. The list goes on and on….

Mayer Eisenstein MD should immediately have his law license and medical license permanently stripped from him. Why? Because any 7th grade science student could explain Mayer Eisenstein’s theory does not even come close to meeting just the basic criteria for the definition of a scientific theory for there is no mention that the above environmental elements have been ruled out to be reason why the Amish do not get Autism.

Your all intelligent people. You all had 7th grade science. Why are you people still trying to prove the world is flat?

What proof is there that vaccination protects the community? Vaccinated children have a host of health problems that my unvaccinated and HEALTHY child does not have. At almost 13 years old, she's never had to visit an emergency room, where on the other hand, my vaccinated son practically lived at the doctor's office. This to me shows that vaccines cause many problems. I speak from experience and not some assumed authority figure's twisted studies. The theory being spread about vaccination preventing dis-ease (it causes dis-ease!), vaccinations being "safe" and necessary for the good of the community is propaganda. I guess if an "authority" said we needed to drink bleach for the good of the community, all the non-thinking would agree and create studies to convince the herd! No, thanks, keep your poisons to yourselves and your families and accept the fact that people will determine what is best for themselves and their children.

I think the real issue is why give this topic any media coverage or debate. thimerisol (and mercury in dental cavities) has been dismissed as a cause of autism or any disease by the WHO, CDC, AACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS, AMA, ETC. Yet Oprah and now you give an ex playboy bunny and Jim Carrey a platform to promote the findings of a baseless scientist. In china you are shot for giving false medical advise or promotion of a product. England wont give you any media time. You dont have to prove the negative.. who knows why autism is on the rise, but we have scientific methods to do proper research.

I personally am not convinced Thimerosal is or isn't the 'cause' of Autism. What concerns me is that it is even in a substance which is shot into the bloodstream, there is enough mercury and pollutants in our water, food and air, why add this to the mix at all? Is there a mercury deficiency in people today?
There is an excellent article on vaccinations if anyone has the mind to look:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15452
Vaccinations are a hot topic now because we are seeing a rise in cancers, asthma, allergies unprecedented in our generation, something which oddly seems to have risen with the advent of mass inoculations. Do we know for sure what is or isn't in these, we must take it on faith that those who manufacture them are doing everything they can to help us remain safe and healthy....to me that takes more faith than believing in God.
I ask the host please keep the debate open and give equal time to both sides of the story, for me it's not whether you want to have vaccinations or not, it's about the choice to do so.

Goverment mandates that you wear a seatbelt, so why not mandate vaccines which protect the community as well as the inidividual?

To say that the thermerisol has been proved to be disconnected because of the conitnued rise in autism since it was removed in 2007 seems absurd. Autism symptoms do not begin to appear until 18 months, and autism cannot be diagnosed until age three - according to the perdiatric medical community. So how does that medical community find scientific 'proof' when it's too early for any diagnoses of any children to have occurred in children born in 2007 - currently 2 years old?

Helen #23:

See #22

There is much debate on the subject. Bottom line is that people should have the right to choose what they inject into their and their children's bodies. The government should not mandate vaccines but should protect our freedoms to choose.

The debate has become so polarized that thorough unbiased testing isn't being done to explore questions beyond thimerisol.
Is there, as many have suggested, a predisposition to autism that may be triggred by vaccines? If so, perhaps those children can have a modified vaccine schedule.
Is the greatly increased, and ever growing, number of vaccines that children now receive overwhelming the healthy development of their natural immune systems?
Are decisions about the real health benefits versus risks of all these vaccinations being made objectively by doctors and scientists, or primarily by pharmaceutical companies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMqYlnAiIUU
pay special attention to the statisitics from the Amish community, they generally do not vaccinate and have almost no autism, interesting of those cases they have 3 of 4 were vaccinated.

Gary #11:

Those studies of the Amish population could support the hypothesis that autism has genetic causes.

I wonder how hard the doctor in Chicago has looked at his population for signs of autism.

Too many people nowadays do not remember what a case of measles or whooping cough looks like anymore.

Actually you could ethically have a randomized, controlled trial of vaccines with and without thiomersal.

If you don't believe that thiomersal does any harm, and the parents of the patients don't believe that thiomersal does any harm, then there's no ethical reason for not doing a study.

It might be a worthwhile study, to finally resolve the problem -- to the extent a good study would convince some people.

great guest. thanks.

@Chris. Sadly with people like Jenny McCarthy and Oprah Winfrey it will take a long time for this myth to die. It's sad how many children will become ill or die because of Jenny McCarthy. At least there's a body count http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Jenny_McCarthy_Body_Count/Home.html

Interesting book which connects autism to the current rise in auto-immune disorders due to over-use of antibiotics, environmental toxins and diet- Unravelling the Mystery of Autism and PDD.

Parents need the right to choose not to vaccinate for diseases like chicken pox without violating their exemptions. Immune systems need to develop naturally if they are to function properly. These viruses assault on the developing immune system and can undermine health in the long run. People who challenge the mandated vaccine schedule should not be stigmatized for their skepticism!

Diseases of the immune system will be the puzzle of the 21 century, and until we stop seeing health as a battle which must be fought with increasingly more powerful weapons we will not understand what is undermining our well-being.

what about the report that autism is linked to the age of the father? valid? certainly correlates with demographics

I am surprised that the incidence of autism spectrum disorders is as LOW as 1 in 100.

I'm not sure it's just the thimesorol, although this a major culprit. There are too many chemicals in these vaccines. e.g., formaldehyde in vaccines??? Why would anyone willingly shoot themselves up with furniture preservative? It's obsene to think that these then have no affect on children's health.

I just heard on NPR yesterday that the notion of an "Autism epidemic" or, less alarmingly, a rise in the disorder's prevalence, is an artifact of media. They are simply hearing about new studies that confirm old data and report them as new - it's sensationalist. Also, the definition of the Autism spectrum has expanded out, and the recognition of the disorder has increased as well.

The actual "epidemic" is in the public's - and the media's - misunderstanding and misinterpretation of science and scientific data.

Thank you Brian for getting a REAL expert on the radio to put this myth to rest. Thimerosal does not cause autism and we should focus elsewhere. I'm a scientist and my son has autism so I understand both sides of the debate.

There is a Vitamin D hypothesis discussed at the vitamin d council site.

Your guest neglected population studies. They have been done:

The Amish community does NOT vaccinate their children and there is virtually no evidence of any child with autism. Mayer Eisenstein MD, a physician and attorney who heads an HMO group of about 28,000 people in the Chicago area, does not advocate vaccinations for the children in that group. He claims that in this HMO, he has no records of children with autism who have not been vaccinated. He also says that the incidence of asthma among these unvaccinated children is zero, as compared to the incidence of about 13% in the general population. You can learn more about his position on vaccines, including watching and listening to a variety of webinars on vaccines at his website of: www.homefirst.com.

This issues if being framed backwards. It's nearly impossible to prove a negative. It should be framed is there any scientific evidnce to link vaccines and autism. For many, the fact that there is no proof still means it still could be possible.

@Steve the reason why kids get so many vaccines at once now is that the new vaccines are more targeted, therefore requiring a smaller amount of vaccine, which makes it safer. It's also done this method because it's cheaper, faster, effective and more convenient.

It's my understanding that the single dose doesn't contain thimerasol.

The preservative is used for keeping a multiple dose open for more than one person.

You must ask for the single dose, though, in order to not get it.

Hannah Poling had a rare condition with her mitochondria. There seems to be a problem with the overload of vaccines on such children. This is not the same thing as saying that thimerosal caused her condition.

What really pisses me off is that even if data is debunked it takes years for the information to leak down into the general public. For Example the idea that we only use 10% of our brains.

I'm so sick of this argument. Thimerosal was removed from vaccines in 1999. The mercury in thimerosal was ethyl mercury, which does not bioacumilate.
The founder of the antivac movement Dr. Andrew Wakefield got paid to conduct his study and is accused of faking his data, even if he didn't it was a poorly done study on a total of 12 people.
In fact the anti vac movement gets much of their money from Many of the antivac "experts" like Kenneth Aitken and Marcel Kinsbourne, have received large amounts of funding from Plaintiff’s lawyers suing vaccine manufacturer’s under the theory that the vaccines caused their client’s autism.
According to a 2007 editorial in the New England Journal of Medicine "The notion that thimerosal caused autism has given rise to a cottage industry of charlatans offering false hope, partly in the form of mercury-chelating agents. In August 2005, a 5-year-old autistic boy in suburban Pittsburgh died from an arrhythmia caused by the injection of the chelating agent EDTA. Although the notion that thimerosal causes autism has now been disproved by several excellent epidemiologic studies, about 10,000 autistic children in the United States receive mercury-chelating agents every year."
And would you trust Jenny "I have an indigo child" McCarthy (a woman who eats her own snot) or the American Pediatric Association?

Janet - the Lancet study was regarding the MMR, not thimerosal, so when you start spitting out stuff about proven or disproven theories, you should try to get your information right. Furthermore, the US government has conceeded in several court cases that childhood vaccines (many of which contained thimerosal) DID cause a child's neurological impairments, namely Autism. If you do not believe me, google "Hannah Poling".

It seems that this radio show needs to start bringing on some people, whether they be advocates or doctors, who stand against the status quo of shooting 'em up.

TOO many kids have suffered. When will this stop?

Read fourteenstudies dot com and then make up your mind. A lot of funny business going on with existing studies that say vaccines and autism are not related. The existing studies sure don't prove much.

I hope that you are following up in order to explain that there is no credible evidence that links thimerosal in vaccines to the cause of autism. Even most the original research group and the Lancet (journal of original publication) that published the hypothesis in 1998 has retracted their suggestion of a link. Dozens of studies world wide have not found a link. Parents and lawyers and nonscientific media outlets (books, blogs, etc.) have grabbed hold of this idea, but there simply isn't actual evidence for it. We have to remember that the plural of anecdote is not data. And that repeating misinformation doesn't make it true.

It is certainly a concern of my brothers' who has a 9 month old daugher and is staggering her shots. It is also something my cousin, who has a child in the autism spectrum, strongly believes was a cause.

New statistics put autism in children at 1 in every 100, but NJ has a higher rate. Why? What does this point to as a cause?