What makes a state a "magnet" and what makes it "sticky"? D'Vera Cohn of the Pew Research Center discusses a surprising new survey that shows that just 19% of adult New Yorkers were born in another state.
As a person of color, and a young professional born and raised in NYC, I've observed a number of young professionals of all races moving into NYC (all over Manhattan, Park Slope, Astoria, Sunnyside), but many black families are moving out--if they can afford to do so. We just do not see a large black middle class here the way there is in Atlanta, Houston, and other parts of the South. I'm feeling a lot of pressure from family and friends to consider leaving the Big Apple. Many people feel like there is just no place for us here. I'm hanging in here, but Bloomberg's policies make it hard to ignore that the black community here is being reduced to the poorest of the poor.
I am a native Connecticutite. I accept nutmegger, but that term was originally pejorative, and is short for "wooden nutmegger," Early Connecticut businessmen had a reputation for shrewd but shady business acumen, as a Connecticutite was likely sell you a wooden nutmeg.
zak Illinois,yes Michigan yes (for now but with auto industry no) Ohio,and Missouri NO they are welfare states that i'm supporting here's the map http://www.taxfoundation.org/UserFiles/Image/Blog/ftsbs-large.jpg
Maybe the discrepency is due to methedology? Was this done door-to-door, or over telephone (land line)?
New Yorkers (esp. people who move here) differ from other areas of the country, in that we're less likely to have a land line instead of a non-listed cell phone. We're also less likely to be at home - more likely to be working, traveling to work, or using the "city as our living room."
(albeit a living room that costs $10 a drink, is likely to be below 50 deg with precipitation, and that often smells like urine)
Lastly, were the immigrants completely removed from the stats, or were they just merely not added to the count of the two important groups (those born here, and those who moved here.) If they were merely not added to one group or the other, you could have a scenario where group 1 has 40% and group 2 has %35, making them smaller than in other states (b/c there's this 25% of immigrants throwing things off). I'm guessing they didn't make so obvious of an error, but it's important for them to clarify when they talk about their project.
People from Connecticut are "Nutmeggers" !! Don't know why Brian didn't mention this one. Connecticut has been known as The Nutmeg State for hundreds of years. When I grew up there, it was on our license plates.
We always used nutmegger when I was living in Southeastern Connecticut and Central Connecticut. However, as a now proud New Yorker (I keep coming back), I don't think I'm entitled to a vote.
massachussians are prone to the name masshole but if your not from massachussetts forget about the nomentclature. connecticut... connecticans; rhode island... rhode islanders, new hamshire... new hampshirites, vermont...vermontians, manie...maniacs
Taking a page from the French I add the slur "con" to the end of Connecticut when referring to the people of that state, as in "What a sacré Connecticon!" I used to live in New Haven and know first-hand how odious a lot of Connecticons can be. Thank god I moved to Brooklyn!
As a native New Yorker and first generation citizen, I have very love/hate relationship with the city (like many others). I love the fact that I was raised here and certainly appreciate the diversity of background and character, but this city is also a very dismal place too (regarding the daily grind and climate). When people from elsewhere in the United States start invading the city and disguising themselves as New Yorkers and gentrifying (or vanilla-fying) unique cultural areas of city, new york dies a little inside. I feel like many native new yorkers feel somewhat out of place in their own homes these days. Personally, I've wished to leave for quite a while and hope to go California one day. At least its more relaxing there.
I was born in Greenwich, grew up in Fairfield Cty and attended callege in New Haven; I usually just say "I'm from Connecticut" but I believe the correct term is nutmegger or maybe CT-er.
Or Connecticut-er? DEFINITELY NOT "connecticutian."
I found this on a google search: According to Webster's New International Dictionary, 1993, a person who is a native or resident of Connecticut is a "Connecticuter"
I grew up in CT and a friend of mine coined the phrase Connetian when referring to those who shared my lisence plate. Don't know how accurate it is, but it suck with me so now I point out Connetians (coneecians?) around the streets of NYC.
I'm not from Connecticut- but here's what Wikipedia has to say: According to Webster's New International Dictionary, 1993, a person who is a native or resident of Connecticut is a "Connecticuter". There are numerous other terms coined in print, but not in use, such as: "Connecticotian"
Speaking as a former Connecticut resident: I believe that the most common name is "Nutmeggers". However, I've been collecting alternate names that I've come across -- my two favorites are "Connecticuties" and "Connecticutlery."
yeah I don't know how useful this study is when it comes to new york...of course no one is moving upstate! and since immigrants from abroad aren't counted, we're going to rank low. 40% of the city is born out of the country. if 19% of the state is born elsewhere in the US that means about 4 million people. probably 3 million were born abroad....this is a good example of the uselessness of certain stats.
How is the Midwest an "unsustainable welfare state?"
Are you trying to tell me that Illinois, Ohio, Michigan and Missouri don't carry their weight of the tax burden? That's just coastal arrogance. I won't even get into the vaguely racist implications in your comment.
brian is trying so hard to make his case; yes, single people come to NYC for higher education. this does not address the parents with children that seem to be leaving because of the high property tax, right?
I work for one of the 40 nation-wide districts of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. The other 39 districts transfer frequently and are always willing to move from district to district for a promotion or even for a change of scene, but NOBODY wants to move to NYC and NOBODY wants to leave NYC.
It's relevant to point out that New York's larger population would push down the percentage of non-natives. It takes a lot more bodies to make up 20% of New York than 20% of Montana.
as the last european-americans leave the economically unsustainable welfare state called the midwest I'd like my federal tax dollars to support this plan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Commons instead of keeping unviable states going
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As a person of color, and a young professional born and raised in NYC, I've observed a number of young professionals of all races moving into NYC (all over Manhattan, Park Slope, Astoria, Sunnyside), but many black families are moving out--if they can afford to do so. We just do not see a large black middle class here the way there is in Atlanta, Houston, and other parts of the South. I'm feeling a lot of pressure from family and friends to consider leaving the Big Apple. Many people feel like there is just no place for us here. I'm hanging in here, but Bloomberg's policies make it hard to ignore that the black community here is being reduced to the poorest of the poor.
Scott A: she said that htey used Census data.
I'm originally from Hamden, CT.
I've always heard "Nutmegger," but don't identify with it.
I have a suggestion: what about "ConnectiCUTEs" since we're all so good looking?
Nutmeggers....CT was long called the Nutmeg state before it became the Constitution State.
I am a native Connecticutite.
I accept nutmegger, but that term was originally pejorative, and is short for "wooden nutmegger," Early Connecticut businessmen had a reputation for shrewd but shady business acumen, as a Connecticutite was likely sell you a wooden nutmeg.
As a Mid-West transplant to CT from Misery (MO), I can't say what people call themselves here.
Nutmeggers is quite common as an informal name. Connecticutters probably the more formal name. I favor Connecticut Yankee.
zak
Illinois,yes Michigan yes (for now but with auto industry no)
Ohio,and Missouri NO they are welfare states that i'm supporting
here's the map
http://www.taxfoundation.org/UserFiles/Image/Blog/ftsbs-large.jpg
on average my point stands
Maybe the discrepency is due to methedology?
Was this done door-to-door, or over telephone (land line)?
New Yorkers (esp. people who move here) differ from other areas of the country, in that we're less likely to have a land line instead of a non-listed cell phone. We're also less likely to be at home - more likely to be working, traveling to work, or using the "city as our living room."
(albeit a living room that costs $10 a drink, is likely to be below 50 deg with precipitation, and that often smells like urine)
Lastly, were the immigrants completely removed from the stats, or were they just merely not added to the count of the two important groups (those born here, and those who moved here.) If they were merely not added to one group or the other, you could have a scenario where group 1 has 40% and group 2 has %35, making them smaller than in other states (b/c there's this 25% of immigrants throwing things off). I'm guessing they didn't make so obvious of an error, but it's important for them to clarify when they talk about their project.
People from Connecticut are "Nutmeggers" !! Don't know why Brian didn't mention this one.
Connecticut has been known as The Nutmeg State for hundreds of years. When I grew up there, it was on our license plates.
I like Connecticutian. Keep it!
As a native Nutmegger, I've never heard the term Connecticuter.
I always thought it was "WASPS".
I grew up in CT, and I've always said "Connecticutians" -- following "Lilliputians." that's my favorite.
How about Connecticommuters? Connectikites?
Brian,
My friend and I grew up in CONNECTICUT and call ourselves Connecti-CUTIES!
I'll go with Mark Twain.."Yankee"
We always used nutmegger when I was living in Southeastern Connecticut and Central Connecticut. However, as a now proud New Yorker (I keep coming back), I don't think I'm entitled to a vote.
the new england rundown here:
massachussians are prone to the name masshole but if your not from massachussetts forget about the nomentclature. connecticut... connecticans; rhode island... rhode islanders, new hamshire... new hampshirites, vermont...vermontians, manie...maniacs
I use the term Nutmegger.
My admitedly small sample is a odds with this survey.
My girlfriend and I moved to NYC about a year ago from Indiana and talked to my neighbors as I packed up the truck.
The neighbor to the left of me has a daughter who moved to NYC in the last 5yrs.
The neighbor to the right of me has a daughter who moved to NYC in the last 5yrs.
The neighbor across the street has a son who moved to NYC in the last 10yrs.
Last I looked the official term for a CT resident was "Nutmegger."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutmegger
i've always called myself a "nutmegger," when i lived in CT. now i wuld call myself a former nutmegger.
Connecticutanians.
Bob and Ray always referred to them as Native Nutmeggers...
There called ny'ers. They might as well be. I mean they have a metro-north stop for crying out loud..
How about Connecti-cuties?
PLEASE NOT "Connecticut-teer."
NO.
Connues.
connecticuticles
I was born and raised in Connecticut and I was hoping you were right about Connecticutians. Up until now I would always call myself a Connecticutter.
Taking a page from the French I add the slur "con" to the end of Connecticut when referring to the people of that state, as in "What a sacré Connecticon!" I used to live in New Haven and know first-hand how odious a lot of Connecticons can be. Thank god I moved to Brooklyn!
Conneticuteers
I do hear Nutmeggers as a term for people who live in CT!
Wikipedia lists demonyms for Connecticut as "nutmeggers" or "Connecticuter."
New York has New Yorkers.
Connecticut has Connecticutters.
Makes sense?
I grew up in Connecticut and I always called Connecticut natives Nutmegers.
As a native New Yorker and first generation citizen, I have very love/hate relationship with the city (like many others). I love the fact that I was raised here and certainly appreciate the diversity of background and character, but this city is also a very dismal place too (regarding the daily grind and climate). When people from elsewhere in the United States start invading the city and disguising themselves as New Yorkers and gentrifying (or vanilla-fying) unique cultural areas of city, new york dies a little inside. I feel like many native new yorkers feel somewhat out of place in their own homes these days. Personally, I've wished to leave for quite a while and hope to go California one day. At least its more relaxing there.
I was born in Greenwich, grew up in Fairfield Cty and attended callege in New Haven; I usually just say "I'm from Connecticut" but I believe the correct term is nutmegger or maybe CT-er.
Or Connecticut-er? DEFINITELY NOT "connecticutian."
I found this on a google search:
According to Webster's New International Dictionary, 1993, a person who is a native or resident of Connecticut is a "Connecticuter"
I grew up in CT and a friend of mine coined the phrase Connetian when referring to those who shared my lisence plate. Don't know how accurate it is, but it suck with me so now I point out Connetians (coneecians?) around the streets of NYC.
I'm not from Connecticut- but here's what Wikipedia has to say:
According to Webster's New International Dictionary, 1993, a person who is a native or resident of Connecticut is a "Connecticuter". There are numerous other terms coined in print, but not in use, such as: "Connecticotian"
You were almost right, Brian!
Connecticut "Yankee"
Connecticans?
i would say Connecti-Cuts
How do you treat people who leave their states and then return? Is that sticky? Magnetic?
Speaking as a former Connecticut resident: I believe that the most common name is "Nutmeggers". However, I've been collecting alternate names that I've come across -- my two favorites are "Connecticuties" and "Connecticutlery."
Brian,
I've lived my whole life in CT. I think "Nutmegers" is probably what your looking for.
yeah I don't know how useful this study is when it comes to new york...of course no one is moving upstate! and since immigrants from abroad aren't counted, we're going to rank low. 40% of the city is born out of the country. if 19% of the state is born elsewhere in the US that means about 4 million people. probably 3 million were born abroad....this is a good example of the uselessness of certain stats.
How is the Midwest an "unsustainable welfare state?"
Are you trying to tell me that Illinois, Ohio, Michigan and Missouri don't carry their weight of the tax burden? That's just coastal arrogance. I won't even get into the vaguely racist implications in your comment.
What are the top states and percentages?
What are the bottom states and percentages?
brian is trying so hard to make his case; yes, single people come to NYC for higher education. this does not address the parents with children that seem to be leaving because of the high property tax, right?
I work for one of the 40 nation-wide districts of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. The other 39 districts transfer frequently and are always willing to move from district to district for a promotion or even for a change of scene, but NOBODY wants to move to NYC and NOBODY wants to leave NYC.
It's relevant to point out that New York's larger population would push down the percentage of non-natives. It takes a lot more bodies to make up 20% of New York than 20% of Montana.
and what percent of the people moving to the south are retired people looking for somewhere warm and cheap?
Are the numbers referring only to adults or could they be skewed by a high birthrate of among new arrivals for example?
as the last european-americans leave the economically unsustainable welfare state called the midwest I'd like my federal tax dollars to support this plan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Commons
instead of keeping unviable states going
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