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Important Quibble re: One of Brian’s Comments about the Iran Election

Brian used the word “proof” about information coming out of Iran via the throttled media which, he rightly points out include a wide variety of new personal types.

I would like to make a comparison with my experience hearing about the Tiananmen Square event.
My source was short-wave radio. I heard the English language staff of Radio Beijing's short-wave service pleading for help because their friends and perhaps, I’m not sure, other staff members had been wounded and worse. I could hear the panic in their voices. Their
descriptions were believable and absolutely vivid.

These were the days when radio was a strong if declining medium and I was just a news junkie who at just happened at the time to be studying Chinese language and culture.

I reported this to someone I knew with The New York Times. This was not her department, but she knew practically everybody of importance at the paper. However, she wouldn’t even mention it casually, because I had not tape recorded it. Wish I had. I could have had I expected this dramatic broadcasting moment. Finding it though, was almost by happenstance. So there was no proof. No report in the Times.

The next day, or the day following, the item was a part of a story in The Wall Street Journal. Where they got it I don’t know. I never found out what happened to those pleading radio staff members at Radio Beijing. In any event, I had no proof that I had even heard the incident.

Do I stand for high journalistic standards? Of course. But sometimes we can overdo the question of proof. Maybe especially now re: Iranian elections. Brian is so judicious, but the standards of proof can be too, too, high for the real world.

This crude form of electoral manipulation
tells me that the Iranian State is weak and frightened. With that in mind I believe that there will be mass repression and mounting violence.

Ahh! Bush! It always comes back to George Bush. Of course.

Moussavi has made an appearance today:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/15/iran.elections.protests/index.html

apparently, mousavi has appeared at a rally in tehran

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8101098.stm

Let's not be cynical about the election process there. This was a remarkable process and the Iranian society will not be the same. Obama has made an amazing effect.

If it is the case that this entire endeavor is simply theatrics.. it's a sad state of affairs if a lack of worldwide attention from the strangulation of free media will succeed in brushing this issue under the carpet.. even more sad is that if that is true, blame falls on all sides...

FOLKS...

THIS IS POLITICS.....

check out

http://tinyurl.com/kp28m5

for recent twitters from Iran

Here are my concerns:

* How do we know that the protesters represent more than a small minority of the Iranian people?

* How can believe the Iranian powers with all of their efforts to shut down the media (SMS, cell, facebook, jamming broadcasts, trying to stop foreign journalists, etc.)?

* Given the longstanding animosity between the US and Iran, how can Obama say anything without it backfiring?

* Juan Cole reports that there's been a decades-long feud between the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and Mousavi. Why hasn't our media picked up the real history and detail of this story?

* Will this conclude be as tragically as China 20 years ago and Prague 41 years ago?

[[BL Moderator Writes: We haven't removed any comments, but please remember the WNYC posting policy and keep your posts civil and relevant to the discussion taking place on the air - not each other. Also, this is a thread for Iranians and Iranian-Americans to provide first-hand information. Please bear that in mind.
Best,
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Red Cent,

I use the terms honey, sugar and sweety on the BLS boards because several far left posters have used such terminology to dismiss my political views. I figure, as long as WNYC allows snarky lefties to use such language, they should also allow the same language from us middle of the road guys. Call it an interest in justice. What is good and fair for the left is good and fair for the middle and right - right? I would rather have WNYC moderate differently, but as long as they allow snarkiness and dismissive language, I guess I will play along. Thanks for asking sugar.

Now, as far as the US and Iran goes, we can do a lot. To start, Iran has built its nuclear reactors and stations deep within civilian areas. We can start preparing the world for the awful truth – when we eventually go in and take care of business or have our Israeli allies do so, a lot of civilians will be killed because Iran and other Middle Eastern peoples use their civilians as human shields. We should start preparing the world for the fact that human shields are the concern of their host country, not ours. Iran has made it clear that its goals and interests are committing genocide. We should make it clear that human shields will not stop our resolve to prevent Iran from committing genocide.

Red Cent:
First, I agree with the students and others twittering from Iran -- and also with Joe Lieberman who spoke out yesterday. Obama can speak out about the apparently stolen election in stong support of the protesters. He can also announce that he won't "accept" the legitimacy of the "re-elected" president until the "stolen election" issue is resolved.

Second, thanks for mentioning the "honey" comment. I let it pass because my attention is elsewhere but I was a little surprised.

Hey, fella, what is this "honey" business? Do you usually refer to women as, "honey?"

It seems that you do not the direction that President Obama is leading. Talk down to "honey," criticize the President. . . anything positive to say? What can the US do about the Iranian election?

It took President Obama 20 years to speak out against racism and hate being preaced in his own church. Does anyone really think that President Obama is going to stand up to Iran?

CNN YouTube video with CNN reporter there on the ground in Iran. Most important comment: Students are telling him their protest is doomed if Obama accepts the election results.
Here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BcFx380pFA&eurl=http%3A%2F

"Where is Obama?"

Nice point honey. I fear this question will be asked over and over again for the next four or eight years. President Obama has shown time and time again that he is a follower and not a leader. "Where is Obama?"

One comment I'm reading over and over on the Iranian protester twitters is "Where is Obama?" and why isn't he making a public statement supporting them.
Good question.

Many Iranians are twittering about what is happening in the streets, to their families, etc. Here is a link to a web page where you can link to many of these twitters:
http://www.24-7israel.com/2009/06/iran-on-twitter/
In addition, I'm following a lot of the English language twitters. If you find it faster or easier to follow me, my user name is lorettawm. They all need our support!