A new
report by the Vera Institute for Justice takes a look at clinical drug trials involving New York City foster children. WNYC reporters Fred Mogul and Cindy Rodriguez take a look at the findings.
They make it sound like they are actually finding HIV in the so called HIV positive people. They are not. If you think so name the test. A surrogate marker is always used. Read the actual research papers. Never will you find the use of a centrifuge to really find and isolate HIV according to the strict definition of "isolation". Why do they have to use PCR to find HIV if HIV is so numerous? Wake up. I have had sex with women who are HIV positive for more than 11 years. None of us are sick or ever will get sick. The tests for HIV are nothing but a big JOKE.
Dec. 18 2010 10:46 PM
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Marshall Sandefur
from Atlanta
HIV has never been shown to cause AIDS. We have confused the issue by seeing only that which supports our belief that it does. In the early 80's the there were only two CDC surveillance marker diseases, pneumocystis pneumonia and kaposi's sarcoma. Now there are about 30 and we have this so called "AIDS" test for antibodies. With the expanded definition we catch more people. HIV like all known retrovirues doesn't have the ability to kill anything. But money is driving it today. The proof is here. Read about Maria Papagiannidou. Personally I'ved had sex with women who have been HIV positive for 11 years and none of us have ever gotten sick. Gallo has been discredited but we keep on marching.
Mar. 22 2010 02:43 AM
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RJ
What I can't understand is how 99% of the media has missed how this story was generated: it was the largely fictional creation of a small group of people who deny that HIV causes AIDS (including Liam Scheff and Celia Farber). It was first published on altheal, an AIDS denial website run by Mark Griffiths (who has since died of AIDS, as has the person who took over running the site from him). The accusations that they made were based on their false claim that these children would have been fine if nobody had cared for their illness. They also accused ICC of taking children away from their parents to place them in drug trials - horrible, and horribly false accusations.
To hear Cindy Rodriguez say that the major finding of the report was that informed consents have been lost in 21% of cases is unbelievable. I hope there are some useful lessons that can be extracted from this mess, but to miss the point that the false accusations were made by AIDS denialists as propaganda for their fraudulent claims about HIV is just mind-boggling. The BBC documentary presented David Rasnick as a legitimate researcher - he is a friend of Peter Duesberg who then went to work for Matthias Rath in South Africa, promoting AIDS denial and conducting a trial in which several deaths were documented because Rasnick & Rath told participants to stop their HIV treatments.
Please consider covering this backdrop to the story.
Jan. 29 2009 12:27 PM
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Neil
from http://rituialabuse.us
It is horrible how these children were abused. We have information on children being experimented on at http://ritualabuse.us
Jan. 28 2009 08:16 PM
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Angela
from Manhattan
It is very easy to paint this as human experimentation. You weren't there. I was. While I was not directly involved in the treatment protocols, the consent, etc. I was involved in the day to day care of these children while working at two hospitals in the city during that time. At any time, we would 5 or more of these babies on our ward. Most of them had visitors only rarely, if ever. We would hold them, care for them, carry them around when we made rounds. And we did this knowing that they were going to die because medicine had NOTHING to offer them. At about the same time, I had a family member diagnosed with AIDS. We were very happy that there were clinical trials to enroll in, because at least that offered hope, even though, sadly, the drugs available at the time were not effective in the long term. Treating these children was done in order to learn more, yes, but it was also done in the sincere hope that it would work and in the sincere belief that they deserved the same bit of hope that was available to my family.
Jan. 28 2009 11:28 AM
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Darius
from Prospect Heights
Yet another bullet point in the long history of experimentation on minorities.
Jan. 28 2009 10:48 AM
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They make it sound like they are actually finding HIV in the so called HIV positive people. They are not. If you think so name the test. A surrogate marker is always used. Read the actual research papers. Never will you find the use of a centrifuge to really find and isolate HIV according to the strict definition of "isolation". Why do they have to use PCR to find HIV if HIV is so numerous? Wake up. I have had sex with women who are HIV positive for more than 11 years. None of us are sick or ever will get sick. The tests for HIV are nothing but a big JOKE.
HIV has never been shown to cause AIDS. We have confused the issue by seeing only that which supports our belief that it does. In the early 80's the there were only two CDC surveillance marker diseases, pneumocystis pneumonia and kaposi's sarcoma. Now there are about 30 and we have this so called "AIDS" test for antibodies. With the expanded definition we catch more people. HIV like all known retrovirues doesn't have the ability to kill anything. But money is driving it today. The proof is here. Read about Maria Papagiannidou. Personally I'ved had sex with women who have been HIV positive for 11 years and none of us have ever gotten sick. Gallo has been discredited but we keep on marching.
What I can't understand is how 99% of the media has missed how this story was generated: it was the largely fictional creation of a small group of people who deny that HIV causes AIDS (including Liam Scheff and Celia Farber). It was first published on altheal, an AIDS denial website run by Mark Griffiths (who has since died of AIDS, as has the person who took over running the site from him). The accusations that they made were based on their false claim that these children would have been fine if nobody had cared for their illness. They also accused ICC of taking children away from their parents to place them in drug trials - horrible, and horribly false accusations.
To hear Cindy Rodriguez say that the major finding of the report was that informed consents have been lost in 21% of cases is unbelievable. I hope there are some useful lessons that can be extracted from this mess, but to miss the point that the false accusations were made by AIDS denialists as propaganda for their fraudulent claims about HIV is just mind-boggling. The BBC documentary presented David Rasnick as a legitimate researcher - he is a friend of Peter Duesberg who then went to work for Matthias Rath in South Africa, promoting AIDS denial and conducting a trial in which several deaths were documented because Rasnick & Rath told participants to stop their HIV treatments.
Please consider covering this backdrop to the story.
It is horrible how these children were abused.
We have information on children being experimented on at http://ritualabuse.us
It is very easy to paint this as human experimentation. You weren't there. I was. While I was not directly involved in the treatment protocols, the consent, etc. I was involved in the day to day care of these children while working at two hospitals in the city during that time. At any time, we would 5 or more of these babies on our ward. Most of them had visitors only rarely, if ever. We would hold them, care for them, carry them around when we made rounds. And we did this knowing that they were going to die because medicine had NOTHING to offer them. At about the same time, I had a family member diagnosed with AIDS. We were very happy that there were clinical trials to enroll in, because at least that offered hope, even though, sadly, the drugs available at the time were not effective in the long term. Treating these children was done in order to learn more, yes, but it was also done in the sincere hope that it would work and in the sincere belief that they deserved the same bit of hope that was available to my family.
Yet another bullet point in the long history of experimentation on minorities.
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