This comment is in response to Rick from Brooklyn and Patrick's comment about the ascendency of the right in Israeli politics and Lieberman as an openly racist politician. What people are not talking about is that the Arab political parties in the Knesset who are supposed to making policy within Israel were openly calling for Israel to not respond to the rocket attacks from Gaza that would continuously fall on southern Israeli residents. Lieberman has not problem with Arabs, but he does have a problem with Israeli Arabs who openly call for the destruction of the state of Israel. What would happen in the United States if a political party existed that promoted the idea of giving Texas back to Mexico and destroying democracy within America?
The Arabs in Israel do not join the army and frequently are involved in terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians. Nobody talks about this, and only say that those who oppose this 5th column in Israeli society are themselves racist.
Feb. 12 2009 02:27 AM
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HS
from NY
hjs
What type of "freedom" awaits when "freedom fighters" hide behind babies and in hospitals?
Feb. 11 2009 05:44 PM
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hjs
from 11211
HS one man's terrorist is another's freedomfighter
Feb. 11 2009 03:54 PM
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HS
from NY
I was very disappointed to see that Brian did not challenge Mr. Tyler when he expressed the moral equivalency of Israeli defensive actions and terrorist bombings and rockets by the Arab residents of Gaza and the West Bank. To let this pass unchallenged suggests that Brian also shares the view expressed by Mr. Tyler.
Feb. 11 2009 03:26 PM
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hjs
from 11211
mark the fate of the people of palestine should not be tied to the actions of any other nation. should the US be held accountable for the actions of every english speaking nation?!
Feb. 11 2009 11:43 AM
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Robert
from Bronx
There can be no compromises with the Arabs. Most people are not even aware that Jordan was designated for the Arabs ("Palestinians") when the British had partitioned it. The Israeli people are more than willing to give the Palestinians their own state, but the Palestinians must be held accountable for their actions first and foremost.
Feb. 11 2009 11:41 AM
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markbnj
from www.markbnj.blogspot.com
and Mary (#11) Until the ARAB countries REALLY and truly remove the sanctions, there also can be no peace.
Here's a proposal.
If the arab countries REALLY want a ban on israeli products, they should also ban using:
Intel based computers. (Microsoft) Windows (XP/Vista/V7/NT) based OS's. The Windows (NT/XP/Vista) Arab language pack. Checkpoint firewalls. All firewalls. (invented by an Israeli).
and so on... so. in reality, the boycott isn't real, but it reaally IS real. \ and btw, maybe you need to boycott those things too...
Feb. 11 2009 11:39 AM
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markbnj
from www.markbnj.blogspot.com or sos-newdeal.blogspot.com
Here's the deal. Until and UNLESS the ARAB parties (all of the countries) accept and SIGN the 1948 UN two state solution, there will NEVER be a peace.
The problems in the Mideast go back to the 1920's when Britian (and Sir Winston...) was in charge there (Sir Winston was the High Commissioner of the palestinian mandate...
Look here for lots of details http://markbnj.blogspot.com/2008/06/mideast-ultimate-peace-plan.html
Feb. 11 2009 11:34 AM
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Mary
The problem is that all the Middle East countries including Israel base their entire economies on war. Without economic reform there will never be peace in the Middle East.
Feb. 11 2009 11:31 AM
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jphmanhattan
from NYC
It was refreshingly honest to hear Patrick Tyler pointing out that there are no Ghandi's in the middle east. The debate in this country seems to focus much too much around why arent Palestinians behaving the way we in the US want subject peoples to behave. Comments like "why aren't they renouncing violence" trivializes the massive state violence from Isreal that is at least as important a factor as terror in daily life in Isreal/Palestine. The notion of Isreal as the long suffering eternal victim is wearing very thin these days.
Feb. 11 2009 11:31 AM
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hjs
from 11211
mike guess that's the real truth about religion and has always been so.
Feb. 11 2009 11:28 AM
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Taher
from Croton on Hudson
Hey Brian how about an Israeli Gandhi? Then we'll have 2 Gandhi’s who can work together in nirvana.
Feb. 11 2009 11:27 AM
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barry
from Manhattan
A million dead? Sorry don't think so, but no need to inflate the #'s even one dead is to many. I think a million may have died due to the sanctions Bush 1 and Clinton kept in place and the UN exploited for their own gain.
Feb. 11 2009 11:27 AM
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Mike
from UES
Israel is not the holy land. Its the unholiest place on the planet. All the Godliness of that region obviously does not inspire peace and love , actually it breeds the opposite
Feb. 11 2009 11:25 AM
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barry
from Manhattan
Let me be the first to thank President Bush for gutting it out, keeping his commitment to free Iraq, hold free and open elections and then get the heck out. It doesn't excuse the horrible mishandling of the post catastrophic victory but thanks, it is about the only bright light in the ME these days.
Feb. 11 2009 11:24 AM
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Mike
from UES
I think we need to stop underwriting Israeli politics with the billions we send them ... especially if they start to advocate policies that might suggest ethnic clensing
Feb. 11 2009 11:22 AM
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Darius
from Prospect Heights
Only tens of thousands dead in Iraq!?! Try over a million dead! 5 million displaced. This has been censored for years but why?
Feb. 11 2009 11:21 AM
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hjs
from 11211
so a russian fascist is king maker in israel, what a sad turn of events
Feb. 11 2009 11:20 AM
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RICK
from brooklyn
what about the ascendancy of the openly racist Lieberman, who is calling for all Israelis to take an oath of loaylty or lose their citizenship?
he will be in the ruling coalition if netanyahu prevails.
Feb. 11 2009 11:11 AM
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This comment is in response to Rick from Brooklyn and Patrick's comment about the ascendency of the right in Israeli politics and Lieberman as an openly racist politician. What people are not talking about is that the Arab political parties in the Knesset who are supposed to making policy within Israel were openly calling for Israel to not respond to the rocket attacks from Gaza that would continuously fall on southern Israeli residents. Lieberman has not problem with Arabs, but he does have a problem with Israeli Arabs who openly call for the destruction of the state of Israel. What would happen in the United States if a political party existed that promoted the idea of giving Texas back to Mexico and destroying democracy within America?
The Arabs in Israel do not join the army and frequently are involved in terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians. Nobody talks about this, and only say that those who oppose this 5th column in Israeli society are themselves racist.
hjs
What type of "freedom" awaits when "freedom fighters" hide behind babies and in hospitals?
HS
one man's terrorist is another's freedomfighter
I was very disappointed to see that Brian did not challenge Mr. Tyler when he expressed the moral equivalency of Israeli defensive actions and terrorist bombings and rockets by the Arab residents of Gaza and the West Bank. To let this pass unchallenged suggests that Brian also shares the view expressed by Mr. Tyler.
mark
the fate of the people of palestine should not be tied to the actions of any other nation.
should the US be held accountable for the actions of every english speaking nation?!
There can be no compromises with the Arabs. Most people are not even aware that Jordan was designated for the Arabs ("Palestinians") when the British had partitioned it. The Israeli people are more than willing to give the Palestinians their own state, but the Palestinians must be held accountable for their actions first and foremost.
and Mary (#11)
Until the ARAB countries REALLY and truly remove the sanctions, there also can be no peace.
Here's a proposal.
If the arab countries REALLY want a ban on israeli products, they should also ban using:
Intel based computers.
(Microsoft) Windows (XP/Vista/V7/NT) based OS's.
The Windows (NT/XP/Vista) Arab language pack.
Checkpoint firewalls.
All firewalls. (invented by an Israeli).
and so on...
so. in reality, the boycott isn't real, but it reaally IS real.
\
and btw, maybe you need to boycott those things too...
Here's the deal. Until and UNLESS the ARAB parties (all of the countries) accept and SIGN the 1948 UN two state solution, there will NEVER be a peace.
The problems in the Mideast go back to the 1920's when Britian (and Sir Winston...) was in charge there (Sir Winston was the High Commissioner of the palestinian mandate...
Look here for lots of details http://markbnj.blogspot.com/2008/06/mideast-ultimate-peace-plan.html
The problem is that all the Middle East countries including Israel base their entire economies on war. Without economic reform there will never be peace in the Middle East.
It was refreshingly honest to hear Patrick Tyler pointing out that there are no Ghandi's in the middle east. The debate in this country seems to focus much too much around why arent Palestinians behaving the way we in the US want subject peoples to behave. Comments like "why aren't they renouncing violence" trivializes the massive state violence from Isreal that is at least as important a factor as terror in daily life in Isreal/Palestine. The notion of Isreal as the long suffering eternal victim is wearing very thin these days.
mike
guess that's the real truth about religion and has always been so.
Hey Brian how about an Israeli Gandhi? Then we'll have 2 Gandhi’s who can work together in nirvana.
A million dead? Sorry don't think so, but no need to inflate the #'s even one dead is to many.
I think a million may have died due to the sanctions Bush 1 and Clinton kept in place and the UN exploited for their own gain.
Israel is not the holy land. Its the unholiest place on the planet. All the Godliness of that region obviously does not inspire peace and love , actually it breeds the opposite
Let me be the first to thank President Bush for gutting it out, keeping his commitment to free Iraq, hold free and open elections and then get the heck out.
It doesn't excuse the horrible mishandling of the post catastrophic victory but thanks, it is about the only bright light in the ME these days.
I think we need to stop underwriting Israeli politics with the billions we send them ... especially if they start to advocate policies that might suggest ethnic clensing
Only tens of thousands dead in Iraq!?! Try over a million dead! 5 million displaced. This has been censored for years but why?
so a russian fascist is king maker in israel, what a sad turn of events
what about the ascendancy of the openly racist Lieberman, who is calling for all Israelis to take an oath of loaylty or lose their citizenship?
he will be in the ruling coalition if netanyahu prevails.
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