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The job of government is to protect its citizens (sometimes from themselves). So, my question above must have fallen on deaf ears? The ACLU and leftists say that The Quakers were spied on. Again, the AFSC is not the Quakers and this is just rhetoric and a cute sound byte that sounds good and can make tracks for people with a (left wing) agenda.

Historically it reminds me of how some fascist regimes get started by taking total control of the situation by denying people rights then moving to beating and jailing people without any real cause making false accusations of exactly what the "motives" were. Then having the media not really react nor take the actions to task but rather present the this side and that side without pointing out the injustices and illegal methods followed by these regimes. It allows them to take the next step until power is in hand.

Yeah! Lock 'em all up in oil soaked concrete piers. Success! Beat up the grannie's against the war. Unprecedented success!

So we figure Africans are the only ones who go crazy and hurt each other during election times?

The American Friends Service Committee is no longer much a 'service' committee for which it won the Nobel Prize and is not well connected to 'Friends' or Quakers anymore. AFSC is a far left wing political action and or agitation committee which coordinates protests as one of its primary activities.

History history history. Bob Hennelly and others need to go back and see what the NYPD was claiming in the immediate aftermath of the convention. They made specific claims about protester violence -- all such claims (but one, apparently) proved to be false.

MOREOVER, the NYPD was proved conclusively to have attempted to instigate violence.

Hennelly, in claiming the NYPD was successful, engages in a logical fallacy. IF the NYPD just pointed guns at _everyone_, and there were no violence, would that prove that drawing guns is successful?

AND the NYPD is also maintaining files. Check with the NYCLU and the Center for Constitutional Rights.

Contrary to Mr. Lehrer's "he said she said" false neutrality, the FACT is that some 1600 people were arrested, kept in criminally poor conditions -- entirely without justification.

NYC during R convention was like Baghdad without the tanks. It was horrible, everything locked down. Completely removed from the realm of anything human. Conventioneers walked out the door of their hotel across a sidewalk into a bus, got transported 4 blocks, walked across a sidewalk into the convention center. Guess the Rs were their usual scardey kats; afraid of walking 4 blocks on NYC sidewalks. What a disaster.