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Hillary has this completely annoying habit of yelling and shrieking whenever she gets in front of a crowd. She also puts on that stereotypical politician's pattern of speech.
"AndI WILLbring CHANGE to warshINGTON."
Or whatever. You get the gist.
I can't stand her. I'm a dem and I can't stand her stupid husband either. I don't believe she has a moral compass. I also don't believe her additional years in the senate make her more qualified for the white house, especially since the guy with the most seniority, Dodd, has dropped out
Here's the problem in a nutshell.
She campaigned like hell in Iowa and if she'd won she would have pranced around with a cheese eating grin on her face. A mandate!
But she lost. And all she can think to do is denigrate her opponents and denigrate the prize which she sought for the past year.
I can't stand Hillary or Rudy or McCain. Can't stand Mitt and his 15 sons.
I'll say what everyone is thinking...gimme Obama/Edwards.
Gimme my Bill of Rights back.
Gimme back my standing in the world.
Jan. 04 2008 10:39 PM
Score: 0/0
Donald
from Hamilton NJ near Trenton
I think its time that Bill get out of the country for a couple of months. It's creepy him campaigning for Hillary. Even George Bush the elder knew enough to keep out of the limelight during W's campaign.
Jan. 04 2008 07:08 PM
Score: 0/0
Sean
from Brooklyn
Biden? You're insane.
It's going to be Jim Webb.
Jan. 04 2008 04:18 PM
Score: 0/0
Brad
from Brooklyn
Funny that this guy Bob offered not one solid reason aside from the usual bland platitudes about "experience" for supporting HRC. He represents exactly what many don't like about the Clinton campaign, which is its sense of entitlement and its enmeshment in recent political history. The Clinton years only look grand next to the nightmare of the last eight; Clinton's presidency was great in many ways but also messy, exhausting, and disappointing.
HRC has been a good senator. But that won't make her a good president. Her "experience" consists of gaffes as well as triumphs. And while her administrative skills are formidable, her judgment is off far too often for this to be a strength.
I haven't been an Obama supporter, but not because he lacks experience. It's because he's vague and noncommittal. His health care plan is weak. To me there's cowardice in these.
That said, last night was impressive, and it revealed something critical about this election that I don't think Clinton's camp fully understands yet. Behind HRC when she delivered her(incoherent, desperate-sounding) speech were Bill, Chelsea, Madeline Albright, Wes Clark, and other characters from the first Clinton era. I can't fathom who from the campaign OK'd this tableau. Those are fine respectable people, but the overarching desire now is to move on. Even HRC seemed to know it, tossing out the word "change" in every other sentence. Meanwhile, though, the image framing her said "same, same, same."
Jan. 04 2008 03:48 PM
Score: 0/0
Kate Stone
from http://katestone.wordpress.com
I want a little of Bella in my Hillary. And she needs to muzzle the Big Dog.
Jan. 04 2008 11:37 AM
Score: 0/0
Elliott Lee
from New Jersey
I'll vote for Clinton if nominated. But it won't be because of her so-called experience advantage, which I believe has been greatly exaggerated by the Clinton campaign and the mainstream media.
I'd take Obama's five years of community organizing experience to empower working class and poor people in Chicago over Clinton's (or any other candidate's) conventional resume. I'd match Obama's eight years working successfully in one of the country's toughest state legislatures with any other non-gubenatorial candidate's experience. I'd take Obama's life experiences (including an election loss) over the more parochial experiences of nearly all of the other candidates.
But as Barack has said, more important than experience is judgment in the exercise of experience. And on this point, I believe he holds the edge. Clearly, a significant plurality of Iowans believe that too.
Jan. 04 2008 11:30 AM
Score: 0/0
ab
Obama/Biden...nice ticket...I like that idea
Jan. 04 2008 11:12 AM
Score: 0/0
RCTobin
from New York City
I'm 57, so I suppose that qualifies me as an "older voter." I am also a woman, and white. I'm voting for Obama.
Clinton is not "experienced." That is campaign hype that has been bought by the media. Her role in the Clinton administration -- after the health insurance fiasco -- was as an informal advisor, not a policy maker. Prior to her election to the Senate, her "experience" consisted of defending herself from attacks by the right. That experience has left her overly-cautious and afraid of controversy. The result of this "experience" was her vote(s) on Iraq. Do we really want more of that "experience," and in a President no less?
Hillary is smart, hard-working, conscientious, careful and personable. She's not a leader, but she's a great Senator. I look forward to seeing her someday as the Chair of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations -- but not President of the U.S.
Jan. 04 2008 11:09 AM
Score: 0/0
Johanna
from Philadelphia
I am voting for Hillary come the Pennsylvania Caucus, no matter what!
Jan. 04 2008 11:01 AM
Score: 0/0
erick
from rochester, ny
To Steve,
And this is what I'm saying. Obama needs to get Biden on board and end all of this experience nonsense.
If anything this result moves me from more or less undecided to supporting Hilary Rodham Clinton more firmly. I am of the generation who remembers Ms. Rodham in the white house and my great admiration and gratitude for her activism and her bucking the role of first lady/helpmeet. (Her struggles to retain her own name seem to be forgotten by the media and general public, and seem to me significant in light of the persistent attempts to identify her with her husband.) I will vote for whichever Democratic candidate ends up running in the general election but am not satisfied with any of their excessively vague promises (Hilary's included); however given her record as our senator she has demonstrated her statesmanship and I believe that she stands a good chance of making an excellent president - maybe the others would too, but I will continue to support her because she is a woman AND brilliant. Obama is an empty shell to me: fresh and telegenic and energetic are not enough to justify supporting him. (I incidentally agree with your caller and with today's New York Times editorialist that the caucus is a "high school event" and not the correct way to launch an election.)
Jan. 04 2008 10:58 AM
Score: 0/0
Steve
from Astoria
I was on the line but Obama won me over. His life experience equates with Hillary's. Hillary has no more experience than Barak. The real experience is with Richardson and Biden. So if we vote between Obama and Clinton, Obama wins hands down on vision, grace and the call for change.
Jan. 04 2008 10:58 AM
Score: 0/0
robbie
from new york
Iowa is a joke!.Bill got 2.8% of the vote in '92, he ended up president. Hilary will go all the way. Obama/Edwards are blowhards, crying for change, memories of Mcgovern, Mondale, Dukakis etc all losers....The left wing of the Democrats and the right of the Republicans deserve each other!!
Jan. 04 2008 10:57 AM
Score: 0/0
Sean
from Brooklyn
BOB stop being such a sore loser. The fact that independents can vote is a clear indicator in viabilty in the GENERAL ELECTION which is Hillary's so-called argument for her. Her HIGH Negatives among independent and swing republicans show that a Hillary nomination will give the republicans a better shot at the White House.
Jan. 04 2008 10:56 AM
Score: 0/0
jerryanne
from NJ
Older voters will show up to vote in November. Those under 30 won't.
Jan. 04 2008 10:55 AM
Score: 0/0
Manny
from Montclair
Stirred not shaken. Hillary's got the goods and I still support her. I met her at an event in Chicago during the height of the Monica madness and she was grace under pressure, charming, informed, focused. Since then I have followed her career and watched with satisfaction as she triumphed over the naysayers. I'm sure she will again. Obama says interesting things but I don't think the ballast is there. It's a long way to Tipperary and Hillary's intelligence, heart and experience will trump the doubters,yet again.
Jan. 04 2008 10:55 AM
Score: 0/0
erick
from rochester, ny
All of this talk about Obama's "lack of experience" how about this idea: Obama/Biden 2008?
Change & experience all in one.
Jan. 04 2008 10:53 AM
Score: 0/0
barry
from Manhattan
Wow this guy is bitter about losing the caucus
Jan. 04 2008 10:53 AM
Score: 0/0
BORED
I dont mind a women bring president but why Hillary. also whats with this sexism about "a women president would be more peaceful" this is stupid.
Jan. 04 2008 10:53 AM
Score: 0/0
VKris
from NYC
This is a long race and there is a still along way to go. A small percentage behind for Hillary in Iowa is not going to make any difference. Hillary has the experience and we are ready for the change.
Jan. 04 2008 10:53 AM
Score: 0/0
two-for-one
from Brooklyn
I won't be switching to Obama - To some extent all the democrats cover the issues that matter to me (environment, healthcare, iraq). I buy the story that Hillary will hit the ground running. I think her success as a two-term Senator shows that she's learned to be effective in reaching across the aisle.
Jan. 04 2008 10:52 AM
Score: 0/0
Alfred
from New York
I continue to support Hillary. I is foolish not to be concerned if the expectation was for her to win Iowa, but this will hopefully mobilize Hillary supporters instead of making them switch. We need change, but Hillary (and Bill's) have the experience to make it happen. Obama does not have any track record to make it happen despite his inspiring performance.
Jan. 04 2008 10:52 AM
Score: 0/0
Nancy Duggan
from Morristown, NJ
I'm very excited about Obama's win and more leery of Clinton's steely ambition. I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is, but I sure hope it's Obama.
Jan. 04 2008 10:51 AM
Score: 0/0
barry
from Manhattan
Vote Obama and let him learn on the job. It is all about who he picks to be on his staff.
Jan. 04 2008 10:51 AM
Score: 0/0
Alix
from NYC
I feel a loyalty to Clinton that surprises me (I'm a 28-year-old white woman). I am inspired by Obama but don't want to be overcome by his charisma. Charisma is important in politics but is it enough? Also, I'm concerned that Clinton is too much of a politician but perhaps we need a president who is willing to play the political game. The issue for me is whether or not the change Obama touts is realistic or is it just rhetoric? I don't know who I'm for anymore! HELP!
Jan. 04 2008 10:51 AM
Score: 0/0
John
from Brooklyn
Watch New Hampshire to see whether voters at Clinton's town-hall meetings now start to press her on electability.
Clinton often has been prickly and even rude in response to direct challenges to her vulnerabilities.
Will she open her meetings to Q&A, if she senses that this is what voters want to talk about?
Jan. 04 2008 10:51 AM
Score: 0/0
Joan Rosenfelt
from New York
I'm still with Hillary - all the way. I like Obama very much, but I continue to believe that Hillary would make the best president - because I like her judgement, her steadiness and sturdiness - her ideas - her values - and I love her gracious quality. I find her very appealing and she's been very consistent with her values through the years. So, count me in on the Hillary train - all the way - for the long haul. Yes - I'm about to turn 65 - but maybe that means I (and the others my age) actually know a thing or two!
Jan. 04 2008 10:51 AM
Score: 0/0
barry
from Manhattan
Hillary and Obama? Obama and Hillary?
Jan. 04 2008 10:49 AM
Score: 0/0
Zach
from Upper West Side
Brian,
Ease up on the prognostication. This is the result of one very undemocratic process. Lets at least try and pretend that other people's opinions (from other states) matter and their voices will be heard in their primary. I support Obama, but I want this to be an honest hard-won fight. Its still too early to call this and lets try and assure that New York's primary is still relevant by keeping the race open until then.
Jan. 04 2008 10:49 AM
Score: 0/0
Sophie Dichter
from Soho, New York
I wasn't a strong supporter of Hillary, but I want us to win in November and I don't think that Obama can win in this country.
Also, I know that lack of experience brings terrible things as we have seen these horrible 7 years. But I don't think Obama has enough experience.
Jan. 04 2008 10:49 AM
Score: 0/0
barry
from Manhattan
I think the media just talks about money because it is easy to analyze. Pure Laziness.
Jan. 04 2008 10:48 AM
Score: 0/0
Michael
from NYC - 132nd Street
I've more convinced now with Hillary. She managed to get out of the middle of country in one piece.
Obama is great with word and emotion, but Hillary is the common sense choice.
Jan. 04 2008 10:47 AM
Score: 0/0
Mark
from Washington Heights
I don't understand the constant talk of one candidate having more money than another and placing many more TV ads than another candidate. If I don't agree with a certain candidate's views on the environment, human rights, taxes, gay rights, abortion, etc., it doesn't make a difference how many times I see their TV spot! I assume there are other people out there like me to whom we don't give any credit.
Jan. 04 2008 10:43 AM
Score: 0/0
barry
from Manhattan
How will Obama be protected as the campaign moves along? It happened to Bhutto and they were certain it was coming. It would be foolish to think it couldn't happen here.
Jan. 04 2008 10:42 AM
Score: 0/0
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Hillary has this completely annoying habit of yelling and shrieking whenever she gets in front of a crowd. She also puts on that stereotypical politician's pattern of speech.
"AndI WILLbring CHANGE to warshINGTON."
Or whatever. You get the gist.
I can't stand her. I'm a dem and I can't stand her stupid husband either. I don't believe she has a moral compass. I also don't believe her additional years in the senate make her more qualified for the white house, especially since the guy with the most seniority, Dodd, has dropped out
Here's the problem in a nutshell.
She campaigned like hell in Iowa and if she'd won she would have pranced around with a cheese eating grin on her face. A mandate!
But she lost. And all she can think to do is denigrate her opponents and denigrate the prize which she sought for the past year.
I can't stand Hillary or Rudy or McCain. Can't stand Mitt and his 15 sons.
I'll say what everyone is thinking...gimme Obama/Edwards.
Gimme my Bill of Rights back.
Gimme back my standing in the world.
I think its time that Bill get out of the country for a couple of months. It's creepy him campaigning for Hillary. Even George Bush the elder knew enough to keep out of the limelight during W's campaign.
Biden? You're insane.
It's going to be Jim Webb.
Funny that this guy Bob offered not one solid reason aside from the usual bland platitudes about "experience" for supporting HRC. He represents exactly what many don't like about the Clinton campaign, which is its sense of entitlement and its enmeshment in recent political history. The Clinton years only look grand next to the nightmare of the last eight; Clinton's presidency was great in many ways but also messy, exhausting, and disappointing.
HRC has been a good senator. But that won't make her a good president. Her "experience" consists of gaffes as well as triumphs. And while her administrative skills are formidable, her judgment is off far too often for this to be a strength.
I haven't been an Obama supporter, but not because he lacks experience. It's because he's vague and noncommittal. His health care plan is weak. To me there's cowardice in these.
That said, last night was impressive, and it revealed something critical about this election that I don't think Clinton's camp fully understands yet. Behind HRC when she delivered her(incoherent, desperate-sounding) speech were Bill, Chelsea, Madeline Albright, Wes Clark, and other characters from the first Clinton era. I can't fathom who from the campaign OK'd this tableau. Those are fine respectable people, but the overarching desire now is to move on. Even HRC seemed to know it, tossing out the word "change" in every other sentence. Meanwhile, though, the image framing her said "same, same, same."
I want a little of Bella in my Hillary. And she needs to muzzle the Big Dog.
I'll vote for Clinton if nominated. But it won't be because of her so-called experience advantage, which I believe has been greatly exaggerated by the Clinton campaign and the mainstream media.
I'd take Obama's five years of community organizing experience to empower working class and poor people in Chicago over Clinton's (or any other candidate's) conventional resume. I'd match Obama's eight years working successfully in one of the country's toughest state legislatures with any other non-gubenatorial candidate's experience. I'd take Obama's life experiences (including an election loss) over the more parochial experiences of nearly all of the other candidates.
But as Barack has said, more important than experience is judgment in the exercise of experience. And on this point, I believe he holds the edge. Clearly, a significant plurality of Iowans believe that too.
Obama/Biden...nice ticket...I like that idea
I'm 57, so I suppose that qualifies me as an "older voter." I am also a woman, and white. I'm voting for Obama.
Clinton is not "experienced." That is campaign hype that has been bought by the media. Her role in the Clinton administration -- after the health insurance fiasco -- was as an informal advisor, not a policy maker. Prior to her election to the Senate, her "experience" consisted of defending herself from attacks by the right. That experience has left her overly-cautious and afraid of controversy. The result of this "experience" was her vote(s) on Iraq. Do we really want more of that "experience," and in a President no less?
Hillary is smart, hard-working, conscientious, careful and personable. She's not a leader, but she's a great Senator. I look forward to seeing her someday as the Chair of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations -- but not President of the U.S.
I am voting for Hillary come the Pennsylvania Caucus, no matter what!
To Steve,
And this is what I'm saying. Obama needs to get Biden on board and end all of this experience nonsense.
Iowa, Shmiowa;
Obama, Shmobama;
Huckabee, Shmuckabee ...
If anything this result moves me from more or less undecided to supporting Hilary Rodham Clinton more firmly. I am of the generation who remembers Ms. Rodham in the white house and my great admiration and gratitude for her activism and her bucking the role of first lady/helpmeet. (Her struggles to retain her own name seem to be forgotten by the media and general public, and seem to me significant in light of the persistent attempts to identify her with her husband.) I will vote for whichever Democratic candidate ends up running in the general election but am not satisfied with any of their excessively vague promises (Hilary's included); however given her record as our senator she has demonstrated her statesmanship and I believe that she stands a good chance of making an excellent president - maybe the others would too, but I will continue to support her because she is a woman AND brilliant. Obama is an empty shell to me: fresh and telegenic and energetic are not enough to justify supporting him. (I incidentally agree with your caller and with today's New York Times editorialist that the caucus is a "high school event" and not the correct way to launch an election.)
I was on the line but Obama won me over. His life experience equates with Hillary's. Hillary has no more experience than Barak. The real experience is with Richardson and Biden. So if we vote between Obama and Clinton, Obama wins hands down on vision, grace and the call for change.
Iowa is a joke!.Bill got 2.8% of the vote in '92, he ended up president. Hilary will go all the way. Obama/Edwards are blowhards, crying for change, memories of Mcgovern, Mondale, Dukakis etc all losers....The left wing of the Democrats and the right of the Republicans deserve each other!!
BOB stop being such a sore loser. The fact that independents can vote is a clear indicator in viabilty in the GENERAL ELECTION which is Hillary's so-called argument for her. Her HIGH Negatives among independent and swing republicans show that a Hillary nomination will give the republicans a better shot at the White House.
Older voters will show up to vote in November. Those under 30 won't.
Stirred not shaken. Hillary's got the goods and I still support her. I met her at an event in Chicago during the height of the Monica madness and she was grace under pressure, charming, informed, focused. Since then I have followed her career and watched with satisfaction as she triumphed over the naysayers. I'm sure she will again. Obama says interesting things but I don't think the ballast is there. It's a long way to Tipperary and Hillary's intelligence, heart and experience will trump the doubters,yet again.
All of this talk about Obama's "lack of experience" how about this idea: Obama/Biden 2008?
Change & experience all in one.
Wow this guy is bitter about losing the caucus
I dont mind a women bring president but why Hillary. also whats with this sexism about "a women president would be more peaceful" this is stupid.
This is a long race and there is a still along way to go. A small percentage behind for Hillary in Iowa is not going to make any difference. Hillary has the experience and we are ready for the change.
I won't be switching to Obama - To some extent all the democrats cover the issues that matter to me (environment, healthcare, iraq). I buy the story that Hillary will hit the ground running. I think her success as a two-term Senator shows that she's learned to be effective in reaching across the aisle.
I continue to support Hillary. I is foolish not to be concerned if the expectation was for her to win Iowa, but this will hopefully mobilize Hillary supporters instead of making them switch. We need change, but Hillary (and Bill's) have the experience to make it happen. Obama does not have any track record to make it happen despite his inspiring performance.
I'm very excited about Obama's win and more leery of Clinton's steely ambition. I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is, but I sure hope it's Obama.
Vote Obama and let him learn on the job.
It is all about who he picks to be on his staff.
I feel a loyalty to Clinton that surprises me (I'm a 28-year-old white woman). I am inspired by Obama but don't want to be overcome by his charisma. Charisma is important in politics but is it enough? Also, I'm concerned that Clinton is too much of a politician but perhaps we need a president who is willing to play the political game. The issue for me is whether or not the change Obama touts is realistic or is it just rhetoric? I don't know who I'm for anymore! HELP!
Watch New Hampshire to see whether voters at Clinton's town-hall meetings now start to press her on electability.
Clinton often has been prickly and even rude in response to direct challenges to her vulnerabilities.
Will she open her meetings to Q&A, if she senses that this is what voters want to talk about?
I'm still with Hillary - all the way. I like Obama very much, but I continue to believe that Hillary would make the best president - because I like her judgement, her steadiness and sturdiness - her ideas - her values - and I love her gracious quality. I find her very appealing and she's been very consistent with her values through the years. So, count me in on the Hillary train - all the way - for the long haul.
Yes - I'm about to turn 65 - but maybe that means I (and the others my age) actually know a thing or two!
Hillary and Obama?
Obama and Hillary?
Brian,
Ease up on the prognostication. This is the result of one very undemocratic process. Lets at least try and pretend that other people's opinions (from other states) matter and their voices will be heard in their primary. I support Obama, but I want this to be an honest hard-won fight. Its still too early to call this and lets try and assure that New York's primary is still relevant by keeping the race open until then.
I wasn't a strong supporter of Hillary, but I want us
to win in November and I don't think that Obama
can win in this country.
Also, I know that lack of experience brings terrible things as we have seen these horrible 7 years. But I don't think
Obama has enough experience.
I think the media just talks about money because it is easy to analyze. Pure Laziness.
I've more convinced now with Hillary. She managed to get out of the middle of country in one piece.
Obama is great with word and emotion, but Hillary is the common sense choice.
I don't understand the constant talk of one candidate having more money than another and placing many more TV ads than another candidate. If I don't agree with a certain candidate's views on the environment, human rights, taxes, gay rights, abortion, etc., it doesn't make a difference how many times I see their TV spot! I assume there are other people out there like me to whom we don't give any credit.
How will Obama be protected as the campaign moves along?
It happened to Bhutto and they were certain it was coming. It would be foolish to think it couldn't happen here.
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