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This is something i have been subjected too a few times, usually they do this in summer on a hot day and its because i have somehow offended "thier" sensitivities. if i have offended them its because im a human being who gets em weapons assaulted since i was a child of two or three years of age, i was informed by hypersonic or similar technology at 42 years of age i am a targeted individual, so i have been made a human experimentation subject almost all of my life. Now i have a far more serious question to raise imagine being on holiday with your children in a busy holiday town full of people, yet no-one notices when your child has apparantly left your side ? no one around you saw when or how your child has now gone missing ? this could be maddie Mcann ? this could be anyones child ? i can see on this thread mind erasers have been discussed so you can see where this goes ? the em weapons assaults i experience can be done at great distance no matter if im indoors or outdoors, the technology is clearly available to create this situation, hi technology child abduction.

Hello i hope you will bear with me,

I have walked into a busy supermarket i went around the store getting the weeks shopping, paid the till girl and started putting it into the carrier bags, i then make my move for the door and take in the sunshine walking back home. Halfway back "someone" returns my memory and i realise theres one bag still in the supermarket ? ( mind erasor technology ) as i say its a busy place were talking families old and young, the shelf stackers, the till girls, the security staff, all these people, not even one child chirpped up to tell me about my bag of shopping ? would a child really have been able to resist speaking up ? this was a gross mistake for the security people it must be ? it could have been a bomb ? or was there more to it ? To make me forget about one bag of shopping the minds of every human being within sight and those about to look towards me had to be controlled so they did not see what was happening to speak up ? thats our childrens minds being toyed with ? the till girls have to remember every price on the shelves yet again that bag of shopping wasnt even noticed and they know me as a very frequent customer ? contiued next post.

This seems like it would be used as a date rape drug by forcing women to take it after an abuse. This is crazy.

If holosonic technology is now in the hands of commercial companies, then it was probably developed years ago. This raises a number of questions:

Who developed it? Where are their research studies? How did they develop it? Did they use human subjects? Were those subjects informed and did they consent?

The potential for abuse and torture with cognitive invasion is extraordinary and could make a debilitating weapon. Perhaps it already exists?

With this technology in place, how can we as individuals manage the influences we have in life?

It seems to me that this development REQUIRES another constitutional amendment that guarantees our rights to our thinking and our rights to manage the media we receive as individuals.

Erasing of memories with drugs or other means a real cause for concern. That fact that uncomfortable or traumatic memories exist and arein fact uncomfortable and traumatic - is the basis for our concepts of right and wrong.

Tell me, who would fight against sexual assault or violent crime if no one remembered how painful the experience was?

As much as PTSD is debilitating and unfortunate, I have to believe that people and society are better as a whole for knowing why evil is evil - it makes us able to know it when we see it. Preparing ourselves for the harsh realities of life and finding ways to deal with these things is far healthier than choosing to not have had this experience.

The suggestion that holosonic sound is somehow beaming ads "into your brain" is ridiculous and irresponsible! I've heard the system at the Audio Engineering Society convention. It is nothing more than quiet sound that can only be heard in a particular location. If you don't want to hear it, you can put your fingers in your ears or simply move to another location.

For those curious: Holosonic sound emits two highly directional ultrasonic sound waves. Each wave is inaudible by itself; where the two waves intersect, they interact with each other in such a way that they produce an audible sound as a byproduct. Unless you have a person actually aiming the transmitter (which looks like a small satellite dish), there's no way to "target" the sound to a particular listener. Typically, the sound is beamed to a place people are expected to pass through.

Furthermore, Ad agencies DO have a right to whisper in your ears--it's called "The First Amendment."

From my perspective, Clive Thompson is vastly exaggerating the threat of this technology to support his larger thesis about our minds being a potential legal battleground. Since this technology emits regular old sound, his argument falls flat.

I think there has been some confusion about propranolol. This medicine (which blocks adrenergic receptors) has been used as a treatment for post traumatic stress disorder because it may be able to decrease the body's emotional response to memories and unconscious "emotional" memories. It does NOT erase conscious memories.

If you are interested in the ethical issues surrounding propranolol and other memory altering drugs, there is an article about them in the Journal of Medical Ethics (February, 2006) by Dr. Glannon.

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TBH, I don't think it has anything to do with broadcast--it's more about out in the open. Neither your regular home nor car speakers do not have the ability to directionalize sound, let alone usually play anything above 20kHz.

So what does this ad have to do with the issue of sounds being beamed into your head then? They said it was on XM Radio... is XM radio actually able to do this while my regular radio can't? Doesn't really make sense to me.

Actually, the legal question in regards to this device and advertising is pretty settled. First Amendment jurisprudence includes protection for a “captive audience.” In other words, the audience has to be able to escape a speaker or message. If someone is beaming a message into your head, and you cannot escape it, it is not protected by the First Amendment.

What about politicians using this wisper technology to cheat at debates. No one would be able to see weather they where listening to an aid feeding them lines.

Could be very insidious if a government starts administering them to their troops in the field after they survive a bombing or the death of a close friend... this would ensure far fewer soldiers coming home angry and willing to join anti-war efforts. And all it would be is the simple popping of a pill. You could even tell them it was just a basic pain reliever. No additional trauma involved.

Not saying the US government has done or will do this in the future, but it's definitely the kind of thing any country should be wary of.

I agree with the woman who felt that the CourtTV ad could cause an unstable person to commit murder. Who would be liable in such cases? This could also cause the people who already believe that technology can get inside our heads to be even more suspicious and outspoken. If we see people on the streets wearing tinfoil, we may know why.

let's call this drug of forgetfulness, the lethe drug, and remember that the philosopher's word for truth is 'alethia'

A-propos 1st Amendment rights vs advertisers &/or gov't use of the focussed sound technology, one might look to the issue in terms of "where" this takes place -- isn't your brain analogous to your home? Consider telemarketers: their right to free speech stops at your doorstep.

So will there be a "do-not-call list" for your mind? How can you stop advertisements or anyone else from beaming whatever they like into your head?

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Of course it sounded like it was coming from the radio...they played the clip on the radio. The idea is that in practice it would be directed at you.

This is an engineer's worse nightmare...the commercial application of this is incredibly unethical. If it rattles the skull, then there is very little opportunity for any sort of circuit to actively cancel that noise, and it is truly an invasion of privacy.

if someone was beaming a voice into my head asking me whether i had ever considered killing someone and i didn't know where it was coming from, then that would 'scare the wits out of me', contrary to what the guy from the ad agency claimed he wasn't doing.

I am concerned about altering a violent memory. People who have been abused as children, who are too young for the mind to remember, like before the age of around 3, have a much more difficult time in therapy addressing their symptoms brought about by the abuse, even though they have no conscious memory of it.

I don't really understand how that commercial is significant in anything but it's content? I mean, was that supposed to sound like it was in my head as opposed to coming from the radio? Because it certainly sounded like it was coming from the radio here.

this is a matter of use and abuse of technology. enterprise will result in a blocking mechnasism which can be turned on and off. A new industry will record memory and save it by memory stimulation while we sleep or while memory is actually taking place. never underestimate the enterprise of the human mind

Has this technology been used as a form of treatment for anyone diagnosed with a mental illness?

From emergency preparedness to mind control - I'm beginning to feel anxious.....

Why is this geek so cheerful? Isn't the totalitarian horror of this obvious?

We already have a government that tortures and claims the right to do so. Remember how they destroyed Jose Padilla.

Surely sending waves into my brain in order to adverstise products goes beyond "free speech"?
Free speech suggests freedom to say what you like, whereas this is forcing me to listen.

how futuristic it seen to me the movie Minority Report with Tom Cruise? but it happening now. And it does make sense now the movie with Jim carey The eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. Our last sacred and personal place it is no longer ours to cheerish...

memory erasers! if they can do memory store up sign me up, I hate when I have to study to hard.

If a crime was committed and you happen to be the star witness, the public trust becomes the priority. Just as the police often inform people "don't leave town" to someone who is an integral part of an investigation, your memories are also not allowed to "leave town."

Isn't the gov't already using this memory drug in Iraq, Bhagram, etc., not just on captives but on our troops?

Can memory erasing drugs damage your brain?

what about your right to REMEMBER things? Will your insurance company insist that you take drugs to forget a trauma so that they can avoid paying for treatment?

GIVE ME A BREAK! It's "mind control" plain and simple! Governments have always abused its power, what is to say it won't do the same with this technology. What's next we have receive a mark on our forheads and hands??

how about the criminal giving the drug at the end of the crime?